All-in on Cloudlandia

Dean: Mr. Sullivan?

Dan: Yes, Mr. Jackson? How much further into Cloudlandia are you?

Dean: I am all the way in, I'm telling you. This week has been an amazing discovery week for me.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Yeah. I just, you know, I get. I'm. I don't know whether these revelations that I'm seeing are, like, just so clearly obvious or whether they. They seem profound to me at. The deeper I dig into them, you know, it's just, I don't. I think we're even underestimating the impact of what this full embrace of Cloudlandia will mean to. To us as early adopters, early settlers of Cloudlandia and for society. You know, the world is going to change. I still have not gotten a chance to read the Disunited nations book that I know you're. And I think that you're seeing this on a global scale, how all of this is going to really shape things, but I think an intersection of that and making a lot of that possible.

Dan: Yeah. Well, I think, you know, there's. There's definitely some things happening in the news that correspond to the geopolitical, like the, the big scene that Peter Zion is the best for those who have. Are not familiar. Peter Zion, it's. It's pronounced like Zion national park, but it's spelled Z E I H A N. And he's got three books out and they're continuations of each other. So it's best to get the latest one, which is called Disunited Nations. And he just describes what happens in the world when the US Decides that it doesn't want to provide adult supervision to the whole world, but it's just picking its spots now. And the. I don't know if you saw it on the news, but this agreement between Israel and the United Arab Emirates is a huge, huge thing. Well, they disagreed. You know, we're just going to be friends and we're going to be normal countries to each other. And it's huge. I mean, it's just really huge. And then right away others are saying, well, we really approve of this, you know, in the neighborhood. Well, you know, the goal for so Israel has 70 years or so is destroy Israel and drive Israel into the sea. But, you know, the lesser countries in the Middle east, you know, these are not big countries, are deciding we better get on the right side of what's happening in the world right now. And so we better make friends with Israel so that we stay friends with the United States. And so there's a shifting going on. And so. And it all has to do with the fact that America may decide at a certain point, just not decide, send one of their, their aircraft carrier groups and settle things down in the Middle east, but let all, you know, let all hell break loose.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Because we don't need the oil.

Dean: Right.

Dan: You know, we don't. There's nothing from the Middle east that we really need. I'm talking from an American standpoint here. And. Well, they have to, they have to stay here because of the oil. Well, they don't need to stay here because of the event. And it's just like a factor. And that's the only thing that's. It's kind of like the last thing that's been holding everything together is while the US has to be involved everywhere because of the energy and, you know, they solve the energy problem. The US can produce more energy than they actually need. And.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: And it's safe. Yeah. It's not threatened by any war. It's not threatened by any invasion. And it can go on producing and producing and producing. And so, I mean, I look at it, I just pick up little facts. The other thing is the rapid movement of people out of big cities. New York had a movement out of 420,000 people since March 1. That's a good sign.

Dean: Pretty amazing. I didn't know that.

Dan: That's a good, that's a good size, small city. And they're not moving out to come back. They're moving out to find new places to live.

Dean: Yeah, that's really, you know, it's, it's funny, but that reminds me of place like Winter Haven.

Dan: Looks really good.

Dean: It really does. It's fantastic. You know, in 1994, 1993. Ish. One of the things that I did, one of the last things I did before I teamed up with Joe Stump to do buyer for loaning in my real estate business, I created a guide called Toronto and Beyond. And it was 40 great places to live within an hour of the city. And, you know, because back then, the only way you could get information about Halton Hills or any of the communities, which you had to actually go there because there was no Internet. So you had to come out and explore to find it. Right. So having these guides that, that gave people a snapshot of what you could get for your money was a big thing for people. So at least they got in the right direction. And now we're revisiting and reviving that. I'm working with a group in New York, Connecticut and New Jersey to create the Beyond Manhattan Project, where we're doing, you know, We've got. Identified a hundred great places to live within 90 minutes of Manhattan, and that's a. So we're deep in the production of that right now. But that. You're. You're right. We've got a syndicate of. Of agents representing all these, you know, regions kind of thing, but create some collective cooperation among them. And of course, it's all digital now, which is the. The greatest thing. I've been meeting with the. The team. You know, we helped you gather everybody kind of in. In one place by Zoom. And so we had our kickoff, you know, a couple of months ago with this, and, you know, thinking back to when I was launching Toronto and Beyond, and it was, you know, we had to get people in a. We had to get people in a room to come and talk about it, and. And we'd all, you know, had all the 40 agents all gather for a summit to get the, you know, talk about our plans, and we would meet quarterly there. But, yeah, now to be able to instantly gather up all of these. These people and do it. Resume them right here.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it was interesting because I, you know, I'm. I go on the Internet to find things.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: I didn't know I was. I was watching Scott Adams this morning, and, you know.

Dean: And you have your simultaneous sip.

Dan: Oh, yeah, no, I don't. I'm hours ahead of him, so I, you know, I have my sip much earlier than he does.

Dean: Your asynchronous sip.

Dan: Yeah, but wasn't. It wasn't him. You know, I watch him for a few minutes and, you know, and he lists everything he's going to talk about, and I got the general drip from about five or 10 minutes, but then I was looking along the side at all the YouTube items, because down the right hand side of the page, there's about an endless number of YouTube things, and there was one there on Flying boat. Flying boat airplanes. And. And, you know, where have all the flying boat airplanes gone? You know, because from around 19, I would say 1935, maybe 1930 to 1950, that's the way you cross the ocean. If you were flying, you were. You would take a China clip, you know, the. You would take the boat and they would, you know, they would leave New New York, and you'd fly to Bermuda, and then you would, you know, they would refuel and people could stay the night, and then they would fly, you know, to England or they'd fly to Spain or France or whatever it was. And so when the war was over, the big thing Was that flying boats were actually very efficient because very few cities had airports. You know, like, it hadn't become a big enough thing with airports that you would have a big airport that was near a city. And so a flying boat could come right into New York Harbor. They could, you know, they could land and then they could just taxi and come right into New York harbor. And it was just like, it was like a ocean liner and, you know, people would get off and. But they were planning one, this company in England called Saunders, and it would, it would carry 100 people and they would have like lounges and you could, you know, in certain classes, you could sleep overnight. They had restaurants, you could go to restaurants. It was like, was like a hotel. Wow. So.

Dean: And they were

Dan: flying.

Dean: They would fly. Wow.

Dan: Fly at roughly 400 miles an hour, you know, so it had really good speed. It had really good speed. And, and it was made and it actually flew and it was great and everything else. But they had forgotten that World War II had created all these airports close to cities. And the jet, you know, the jet engine had been created right at the end of World War II, 1945. So we're talking five years. And then there were jet fighters. Jet fighters. And the very first airliner that was really popular was the De Havilland Comet, who is a British, British airliner. And British airlines said, no, we're going with jets. So that was it. They missed, you know, but it was beautiful. It was beautiful and. But nobody wanted to buy. Was very expensive, the Saunders, this thing. But it was actually created and they mothballed it. And then at a certain point they said, what are we saving this thing for? And they tore it apart. They should have, they should have actually kept it. Would have made a nice, you know, would have made a nice houseboat, right? Yeah. You know, it could have been a museum houseboat. You could have had restaurants in it and everything else. But, you know, it had passed its time and then. But Saunders didn't quit, even though they couldn't sell that one still in six years later, they were planning a thousand person flying boat, you know, which would have. Which would have jet engines. It would have 20 jet engines and wow, the crew could walk around inside the wings and everything like that, you know, but it was kind of like doubling down on a bad bed, you know, it was. And I think that a lot about the talk about cities over the last 10, 15 years has been kind of doubling down on a bad bet. You know, certain aspects of city life have just really been doubling down on a Bad bet.

Dean: I wonder about the. Yeah, because the density certainly, you know, the.

Dan: Well, you know, where we live. We've got it. We've got kind of. We're kind of the closest beyond Toronto that you can have in Toronto.

Dean: That's right. Yeah, you were. The beaches is one of the things.

Dan: Small, seaside. Like a small seaside town.

Dean: Yeah. Which I love.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Yeah. Thomas. Thomas Cook was our agent for the beaches then. And Thomas and Sally Cook. Yeah. But that was one of the areas, for sure. And then you kept going, you know, all around the perimeter and to the Scarborough and to everything.

Dan: But especially north. Especially north Hocking Valley, you know, Georgetown.

Dean: We went all the way from. Yeah, we went all the way from Hamilton to Pickering to Barry.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: In the north. Yeah. So it was a nice thing, but I have never heard at all of these flying boats. I'm going to have to look this up because. Is that. And then there were. What was the Hindenburg? What were those Zeppelins? Is that what.

Dan: Yeah, well, they. They were. That pretty well ended probably 1934, 1935, because they were made out of hydrogen and. Yeah, the Hindenburg. And it's. It's like a bomb.

Dean: Yeah. But apparently they were pretty luxurious the way that.

Dan: Yeah, they. They were luxurious, but they couldn't carry it. I mean, no carrying capacity. They. I think at Most they had 35 passengers. European. You know, you're paying a fortune to fly on those things and. Yeah. You know, and. Yeah. And, you know, but there's still people today we're going to bring back. You know, we figured it out now, and people are really going to love this. You know, it kind of went 100 miles an hour at maximum. That's not a solution. That's not right solution. You know, and so I was just thinking through our. You and I were both at Genius Network on Thursday and Friday, and I was just thinking, you know, because I kind of think in book titles because.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: You know, I'm. I'm right at it all the time of pumping out little books. And I was thinking the title, sort of Living Local, Reaching Global, you know, sort of. That all of us can live local and reach global now.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Because of. Because of Zoom.

Dean: Yeah. Now this is interesting that I'm. You know, that reminds me of. There was a book called the One to One Future that came out in 1995.

Dan: I remember that. Yeah, I read that book and, you

Dean: know, then it was very futuristic. It was very difficult to kind of imagine. It was at the beginning of some 93.

Dan: Actually, I was reading it on the way home from a trip to Amelia. Amelia Island. You're on Amelia Island?

Dean: Yeah. In Florida.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dean: Nice.

Dan: I went there for, I went there for a conference and I had the book and I was reading it on the way home from Jacksonville. I flew home from Jacksonville.

Dean: Yeah, right.

Dan: Pittsburgh. And then Pittsburgh did Toronto. Yeah.

Dean: Nice. Well, there's that thought living local, think global. I don't know who presented that idea, but I thought the first I think person I heard that from might have been Tom Peters. But I don't know who coined that of the thing. But these guys like Don Peppers and Martha Rogers, that's who wrote the one to one Future. They were like far visionaries where they're seeing something and they see how this is going to play out. Kind of like Peter Zion is a far geopolitical visionary, I think seeing beyond the, the immediate future. And so you just prompted me to think, go back to my bookshelf here now and look at the books from 25 years ago with the far visionaries. I'm thinking about faith popcorn and, and looking what they were predicting when they were first coming out as futurists to see really what the, how much of that is now completely manifested. You know, and, but I'm just looking at the, the idea here that we're not. I just, I'm almost like in awe at how much things have, have changed here. What, what this, the implications of all the things that we have available to us if we take, if I kind of overlay this thought of vision capability and reach over our opportunities in Cloudlandia, how we organize ourselves, the things, vision capabilities and reach that the, you know, vision is a, is a multiplier. Vision is something that is that you can kind of shape shift.

Dan: It's in short supply, you know.

Dean: That's true.

Dan: Yeah. And actually it's the trigger. You either have capability and reach.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: You don't. And the only thing that determines whether you have capability and reach is whether you have vision in the first place. Yeah. And I think that you wouldn't see the capability. You wouldn't see the capability and you wouldn't see the reach if you didn't have vision.

Dean: And that's exactly it. But I think being exposed when you're, when you have vision and you are exposed to these capabilities, the things that that creates now are amazing. Right. I. It was funny, Dan. You know, I've often, I thought about how we've talked about my, you know, third grade teacher, Mrs. Jefferson with the, you know, Dean is able to achieve excellent Results with what seems like little effort. Imagine if he applied himself. And I thought to myself, we were kind of kidding around one day that that would be a great book title. Right. Like imagine if you. Imagine if you applied.

Dan: Imagine if you applied your. But then here's the thing, you know, my. Mine. Mine. Different. Different kind of probably coming from the same point of judgment.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Has no respect for authority.

Dean: Yes. Right. Right. Yeah.

Dan: You know, and what I will give them credit for, they were doing this on intuition because they don't really have, they really didn't have any. They didn't really have any evidence to present to the court that I was being disrespectful or I was being disobedient. They were just picking up something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm trying to, I'm trying to think back. What did I ever do to give off those vibes?

Dean: Uh huh. Well, you know, skipping school and going to the library.

Dan: Probably be one of the ones.

Dean: Yeah. That's funny. The clues were there so in, in our. When we were at Genius Network on yesterday and, and, or I mean Thursday and Friday, I, I had. Over that two days, I had a vision for the book title revision and I thought, you know, imagine if you applied yourself, but then we scratch out the. Applied yourself and put. Stopped trying. Did only the things you love and still get everything you want. Yeah, that's really the, that's really where

Dan: we are right now. I think that, I think the, you know, here, here's the thing. You know, I always. And I'm looking back because we've, we've been, you know, from our client base, strategic coach client base. We've been, you know, really powerfully complimented by our client base on how quickly we adjusted and you know, you know, and we were right back in action and everything else. And I said, you know, it's, it's actually just. What were you doing over the previous 20 years? What were you doing over the previous 25 years? What you did over the last five months is really a result of what you did over the last 25 years. In other words, what were you thinking? What were your mindsets? You know, what kind of future were you seeing beyond the present you. You were in?

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And my sense is that people who respond very, very quickly, they had already prepared themselves for the event. They had already prepared themselves for the changed circumstance. I didn't feel like I went through any big, kind of big change. You know, I still don't. It'll be six months in a couple weeks, you know, be six Months we've been at this, and I. I don't remember feeling. I don't really feel that. Wow, wow. I'm really gonna have to change my mind here. I'm really gonna. Wow, wow. I'm really gonna. Can't look at things this way or anything. I don't. I don't remember going through anything like that over the last six months.

Dean: No, no, I get it. I mean, it's. It's a. Yeah, it's a big. But the, you know, the good news is, is that it was really just a delivery device. Right. For the. The what you were.

Dan: I mean, what happened for both of us is the rest. The rest of the world woke up and acquired a capability.

Dean: Yes, that's exactly right.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: I think that's great. I rediscovered something that you're talking about, all these capabilities that I think Peter Diamantis first introduced me to. It was the Martech 5000. Are you familiar with that?

Dan: No, I'm not.

Dean: Okay, so somebody has put. Has taken on themselves to be the sort of indexer of all the marketing technology services and software and things that are available for us now. And he's been tracking it kind of since 2013 or something when there were 794 entries on the thing. Ended up over and out. There's over 8,000, 8,000 different surfaces. You know that. Yes, exactly. These are SAS or. Yeah, it could be artificial intelligence, could be a service, could be, you know, done for you. Things like capabilities is really the best way to look at it, that it's a capability that you can tap into or like when they were talking about in China, the. All the. That market for the components where you can go and put all the components together for any electronics or things that you're looking for. So I look at. They're creating this and they've got a really amazing cloud that shows the different categories of the things. Like if you think about SEO as one thing, Search engine optimization, there's. They're all categorized that there's, you know, dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds of companies that are serving that SEO area. Content. Content. There's, you know, all these writing services and everything like that. And I start to see now that what. As far as the capability front goes, when we look at the vision capabilities reach that the. All of those would fit in your capability stack. If we take a Scott Adams, you know, term kind of thing as your stack of capabilities and all of them. What I'm noticing as a pattern is that you're as needed, as much as you needed as Much as you need as you know for only what you need is the thing that we're doing. They're driving out inefficiencies. Like there's several services right now where you can get, let's say graphic design as an example. There's, you know what Roland was talking about, no limit Creative.

Dan: Well, that magic thing made the number, you know, he had 16 and he said, I got one, I really want to take you. And if that is really thing that, you know, it's an artificial intelligence program that just will, you know, you know, keep telling you exactly what images are working, what copies working.

Dean: Yes, exactly.

Dan: Huh.

Dean: And then the, so those things. But the. As far as the creation of stuff even you know, like now like design, for instance, the, the latest infinitely scalable thing is our services like Design Pickle and others where you subscribe to this service and you can have unlimited requests, but they do one design at a time for you. So essentially you stack up your design queue in the, in the thing and you're paying, you know, a fraction of what you would pay to have an in house design.

Dan: This is the, this is taking place in the real estate next to the, next to the Zoom transportation system.

Dean: Yeah,

Dan: well, well, you know, basically that I said don't look at, don't look at Zoom as a communication system, look at it as a transportation system.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And then there's real estate next to the transportation system and all the SaaS services that you're talking about seems to me. Well these are the general store and you know, these are all the businesses that are building up. Because if you didn't have global reach, you know, your needs for these capabilities wouldn't be as high.

Dean: Right?

Dan: Yeah, yeah, but, but if you have global reach, you have a global transportation system, then there's a lot of things, you know, there's a lot of who. Capabilities in the form of individuals, obviously you're looking for, but also who in the form of software. In the form. Yes, Artificial intelligence. And so that's the new system, you know, that is a new person in free zone in the last four or five months. And let me just go through my Rolodex here. I just have to remember exactly, you know, what he does. But he has real estate and he, he built, he finds commercial real estate. So this is, these would be like industrial park, you know, Industrial park real estate, you know, where you'd have maybe 50 to 80,000 square foot and then you can subdivide the space.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: And, and what he does, he finds it and it's not well packaged and everything. And he'll buy it. And then he's got a makeover process where he really, you know, freshens everything up, puts in landscaping, puts in proper security, parking lots and everything like that. And then he, you know, he's got investors and then he's got tenants. He's got investors and tenants. And he's, you know, he's doing one of these. A quarter for a hundred for 25 years. Wow. And thus. And I was telling him, you know, to read the Peter Zion book because it tells me that from an actual real estate, I'm talking, you know, mainland real estate.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: The best place is between the Allegheny Mountains and the Rocky Mountains in the USA for a flood of reasons. One, they got unlimited energy access with pipelines. They've got the best river system in the world.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: The Mississippi Valley river system has 87 rivers all flowing towards the Mississippi. In other words, if you're in on the. If you're on the Missouri river, you're on the river. They all flow into the Mississippi, which flows into the Gulf of Mexico, which flows to the world. And I said, you know, what you should think about now is that whole territory. Because he was in Oregon and he was thinking, well, you know, we'll go to Washington and we'll go to California. We'll go to, you know, I said, well, you can go much wider now that you have Zoom, because everybody. You can have instant transportation. But I said, start looking at where you have the interstate highway system with an interchange. Look at cfa, there are port city, a riverport city, and see if they have a private jet, airport. Private jet, airport. Because if it's a private jet or airport, it's, you know, it's good enough for everything. So you've got all the transportation system, but the land is cheap, the living is good.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And I mean, I said that's what you should think about. Really made a big. It really made a big difference for. In those terms.

Dean: Yeah, I think that's. That's very interesting. Yeah. That whole geography now, there's a great, you know, opportunities for geographic arbitrage because there's so the differences in square footage that you can get in, you know, the big cities compared to what you could get there. Where.

Dan: Yeah, I mean, it's certainly true residentially. I mean, that's why, you know, that's been your forte for the last 25 years. But the residential. But it's also true commercially because there's some businesses, you know, that can be, you know, that can be, you know, incredibly viable. But here's the thing that I always. I was reading all the, you know, Richard Florida. I don't know if you read any of his books. You know, it was talking about the rise of the creative class and that was all density living. It was all dense city living, you know, that all these young creative class people, you know, are going to be in the intensity and they'll put up with 400 square foot condos and you know, and, you know, and yeah, they're living in dorms. I mean, they're just, they're just graduate students who instead of going to class, they're going to a job. But it's just. His image of the creative class was just that the, you know, they look the same, they still have their backpack.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: You know, they're living in a tiny, tiny condo rather than in a tiny dorm room. And they're eating at brew pubs instead of at the cafeteria.

Dean: Right.

Dan: But they don't own any. They don't own anything. They don't have cars, they don't have kids. They don't have anything. I said that's not the future.

Dean: Yeah. It's interesting. What do you. Because that's. We work. That was what they were building on, was the dream of that, that everybody would want to be just the space they need or whatever, but be around, you know, in high density like that.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. And. But actually my density has gone up in terms of reach since March 1st. You know, I'm communicating with far more people on a daily, weekly basis now with zoom than I ever did physically. Yeah. So my density has gone way up. Yeah.

Dean: Well, I'm not even sure that we really understand, like what this is gonna, you know, with the full.

Dan: Being a red, white and blue American. There's two things that I always believed that in their dreams, Americans really like real estate and they like driving around.

Dean: Yes, that's true. Right. That's so funny. They like dreams and they like. Or real estate. They like driving around. That's great.

Dan: No, no, I mean, isn't that true though? I mean, I mean, aren't you, don't you have real estate and you're driving around from time to time?

Dean: Yeah, I would say less driving around now, but yes, certainly. I love it.

Dan: But anytime you want, without any, you know, without trouble. Yeah. And everything like that. And my sense is that, you know, and see if I can give you an insight on the riots that are taking place. Major cities. This group of people were told that they were the future. They were told that they were the future. And they were charged to extortionary amounts of money to go to university because you're the future. You're the future. And they get out. And my sense, in the last six months, basically the world doesn't care about them anymore. And I think they were just really pissed off and they were saying, we just got screwed. We'll never get out of debt, stars, let's go burn something down.

Dean: Isn't that. I mean, you know, it's on a corollary, I think. Then you've got the other end of this too. Where I'm just thinking about that. My neighbor. I ran into one of my neighbors a couple of days ago. Yeah, imagine that. Exactly. And he is a.

Dan: Don't you check, people? Don't you check before you go out in.

Dean: That's right, exactly. So he is a former. Well, he was a judge and was just, you know, this year retired, but forced retirement at 70 years old. And I thought, man, that's really like, he's still. He's young, you know, like exact. He's healthy, he's fit, he's the whole thing. But at. In. In the court system or whatever, he's in this mandatory retirement at 70.

Dan: Yeah. County judge.

Dean: He's. Yes. A county judge. Yes.

Dan: So he's an elected judge. He's not an appointed judge.

Dean: That's right.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dean: And no, no, I think he's appointed. He's an appointed judge.

Dan: From state or by the feds. By the state or the feds?

Dean: I think the state, yeah.

Dan: Okay.

Dean: So whatever it was, he's sort of appeals court.

Dan: That'd be sort of like appeals card or something like that, you know. Yeah. And.

Dean: But anyway, he's. He's, you know, now 70 years old, has a, you know, a lifetime of legal knowledge. And you know, I was just thinking about like he's getting itchy to kind of to do something. You know, he's kind of making noises like that, like, hey, you really gotta get some idea, you know, like what something to do. You got anything I can do kind of thing, you know, and just think like, wow, what a we have now a. You know, this. The benefit of people like that who have, you know, 50 years of work experience or real world knowledge accumulation. Yeah, accumulation of knowledge that are. And the, the. There's no physical, you know, now somebody like that, you could.

Dan: They're accessible. They're accessible. Yeah.

Dean: Their skills are accessible. And I think that is a. A wonderful resource to kind of.

Dan: Yeah, it was tap into really funny Joe Polish. At one of his genius networks about maybe four years ago, had as a guest Sandra Day o', Connor, who was the first woman Supreme Court justice. And it was interesting because she lives, you know, right in Paradise Valley. And. Yes, and she dropped down and Joe interviewed her for about two hours and. And you know, she. I think she was late 70s, maybe early 80s, maybe 80, and really, really present. Apparently she's taken a turn for the worse since then. But that the day she was there, she was really. I mean, she was sharp as a tackle and. But she was saying that she continually made trips around the country to sit in on cases. And this was a great thrill to the judges and lawyers, you know, that she would come in and she would sit down. I mean, she had no influence on the case at all, but she would just, you know, particular issues, you know, and she would choose them and then she would make a request. Could she come and view the case and, you know, actually be present in the. Yeah, but. But one of the things that suggests one of the big problems is the clogged up legal system, you know, and part of it is travel. I mean, part of it is just the physical, you know, the.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And I'm wondering how far off into the future before a certain number of trials actually take place by zoom.

Dean: I've been thinking the same thing. That's what I was thinking about with. With Barry, my neighbor.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: You know, like what. The access to what's available, you know, in terms of arbitration and things. Like you were literally. You could kind of put a layer between the legal system and you said you could have things arbitrated with a real judge as a precursor to. To going to court for something. I think there's an amazing opportunity for that.

Dan: I mean, there's. There's a certain type of lawyer who would hate it.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Of course, their whole, Their whole skill is based on their physical ability to physically intimidate or. And everything and. Yeah. Really? I mean, you know, I mean, it's kind of like.

Dean: And also to some of the, to some extent, the relationships that they have built with the, you know, it's kind of a closed ecosystem. Yeah, it is regional way. And, you know, I mean, I got to see the camaraderie and stuff of these guys through, you know, seeing them at the country club and at different, you know, events that, you know, two guys who were, you know, opposite of each other on, in the courtroom that week, that were on the golf course the following, you know, this weekend playing together and have a, you know, a history of Being together since high school kind of thing, you know, so it's an interesting. The physical relationship, equity of those things where I think.

Dan: Yeah, it's really interesting. I was. I was just something I picked up early, Covid. But there's this. There's this hospital system, and they're nationwide, and I think they're called Trinity or something like that. It's a Catholic. Catholic hospitals, and I think it's 56 Catholic hospitals. And what they have is a virtual network of 10,000 doctors.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: And the doctors go 24. Seven, you know, and of course, it's been. Covid's been a remarkable breakthrough for doctors because up until Covid, doctors didn't get paid for telemedicine. They didn't get paid. And it was the insurance companies that were the biggest obstacles to it, because the insurance companies wants to slow down treatment. They don't speed up treatment. Okay. Because if it speeds up treatment, that means that people are actually paying for the insurance, are actually using the insurance.

Dean: Right.

Dan: For, you know. Well, you know, what kind of world is it where people actually use the thing that they paid for? I mean.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Answer that question for me, Dean. You know, that you would actually use the thing that you paid for.

Dean: Imagine.

Dan: Yeah, imagine. I mean, that. The shocking.

Dean: Yeah, that's something, anyway.

Dan: But they've done that, and they did it just for health care. They just did it to give care to their patients, you know, that doctors would be available to talk. Talk to them and everything like that. But I bet they're may. They're being rewarded 10 times over now for having created that system. They were totally prepared for this, and they weren't even charging for it. Now they get to charge for it, you know, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dean: And it's just so much better. I mean, that's. It's a. It's a really. It's an interesting thing, you know, this whole.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: The relationship.

Dan: You know, it's like Jeff Gladden for three or four years, we've gone to Dallas, you know, and I just don't want to go there. I just, you know, why would you.

Dean: Yeah, exactly.

Dan: Yeah. Go there. And then we have to go there to his office and everything. I said, and, you know, the main reason we're going there is to have our blood. You know, having our blood taken. And I said, you know, figure out some way that we can have a blood taken and shipped to us and shipped to you.

Dean: And, yeah, this is what. So I have my. My primary doctor. I have a concierge doctor who is, you have, you know, a relationship with that. You have his cell phone, and he comes to my house and, you know, longer appointments or whatever you need kind of thing. And, you know, he'd been coming to my home, and, you know, now we meet by zoom or talk on the phone. He's got a blood lab. So he's got a blood. A phlebotomist on his team who comes and does the blood right in my house. Will come. I sit right. I'm sitting. I sit right in the chair I'm sitting in right now. He takes the blood.

Dan: Do you have a. Do you have a blood room?

Dean: I have a blood room slash podcast, slash evil scheming room.

Dan: Yeah, yeah.

Dean: So I'm sitting.

Dan: The global domination. The global domination center. Yes.

Dean: Oh, yeah. Which is right down the hall from my Zoom jet, where I transport all over the world. But anyway, he comes and takes my blood right there, so it literally, I don't have to go anywhere, which. And it's great. And now to zoom in with him is. Is perfect because unless he's got to once a year do our, you know, our. Our fun digital rectal exam, you can't do that over zoom. And so, you know, now we've only got that to look forward to every year.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: Yeah. But everything else.

Dean: Everything else we can do by. By Zoom.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I, you know, I think probably there will be, you know, like, blood drop. You do a blood drop test, and there's a digital. Little digital thing that you stick your finger in. You know, you prick your. Your finger and you draw blood. And then it gets, you know, in the little digital sensor that everything that's important gets picked up and it's sent electronically and, yes, you know, it gets analyzed. Well, that was, you know, that was. What's her name? Elizabeth Holmes, except she was crooked. But that was the. Yeah, right through that, she was promising, you know, with Thanos.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: What was the name?

Dean: Thanos.

Dan: No, Theranos.

Dean: Theranos. Theranos.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's still, you know, I mean, the trial still isn't given, but, you know, I've seen her, and I said, put her away, you know, Put her away for 25 years, you know. Yeah. And every. Everything like that. But she. She was the ultimate. I mean, I've seen con people, you know, but she was the ultimate conversation. She even altered herself for the role. She had kind of a squeaky voice, and she practiced for years of having this really deep, resonant voice.

Dean: Right, right.

Dan: She dressed like Jeff. Jeff. You Know like Steve Jobs. Yeah, yeah. And everything like that. But she's total. And she has zero remorse. I mean, she has zero remorse. Right. So she just got.

Dean: Right.

Dan: She's got chips missing. But she took in. She had like, she had. Henry Kissinger was on report and I mean she had all, I think ma and Albright, she had sec, former secretaries of state and they didn't know a clue about what she actually did, you know.

Dean: Well, I think part of that was her, you know, what Peter would call the super credibility line or whatever. She, I think she, her pedigree was really what kind of gave her that advantage. Her grandfather was.

Dan: Didn't she go to Stanford?

Dean: She did go to Stanford and she

Dan: dropped out of Stanford. I mean, that's the thing. You go to the most expensive college you can find and then drop out, you know.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: You get the benefit of being there without the full cost and.

Dean: But you also get the what up. What a power move too. It's almost like you get the thing like Mark Zuckerberg is a Harvard dropout, Bill Gates is a college. As a Harvard dropout. You know, so the, it's like you go there like these athletes that go play in the. Play in college and do one year and go to the NBA or whatever. Right. The one and done kind of thing. It's actually true. You get the.

Dan: Yeah. I'll tell you one thing that's going to come out of that with the college athletics are all going to go professional. They'll all get paid to grant.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And the entire, you know, amateur claim for college. College athletics is going to go away. And you know, they'll get paid, they'll get paid for being there and they'll have a share of the, you know, the box office of the share of the TV and everything like that, you know, and.

Dean: Yeah. Well, it's really interesting to me when you look at the role of, of college athletics is if you look at the highest paid government employees or government employees, on the top of the lists are football coaches. College football coaches.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Higher than like, I mean, millions of dollars compared to any of the chief justices, any of the Supreme Court justices.

Dan: They'd be like, they'd be like servants in Bellman, you know, in the college football. You know, I had an agent in the program, Jimmy Sexton, and he's considered one of probably top five sports agents in the United States right now. Really great guy. Yeah, really great guy. He had NBA, NFL, I think it was mainly NFL players and National Basketball association players. Now he's just Got high. Now he's just got college coaches and college coach. College coaches are the, are the mother lode. And the reason is because athletes, you know, risky business because, you know, they, they might get injured, they, they might go to jail and everything. College coaches, you get them, you get them at the right time. You have them for 25, 30 years, you know.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: Well, here's the thing. Ohio State, So I grew up in Ohio, and the Big Ten, which is actually, which is the Big Ten and an extra four. So they actually have 14. They called off their college football season.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: So here, I'll put the economics in perspective here. The profits from the college football season pays for every other sport.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: That, that college has. And they have 75 or 80 other sports. Every one of them gets paid for by the profits that are made on the, on the college football. So you wipe that out how they paid for all those other sports this year. Yeah, yeah.

Dean: Amazing, right?

Dan: I mean, that tells you that the, when the president of the university calls the college football coach, he said, sir.

Dean: Aha, that's right. Oh, that's funny. Yes,

Dan: sir. Do you have some time on your schedule for me right now?

Dean: I love it.

Dan: Yeah. But, you know, these things went along, went along, went along. They're gonna go on forever. And then there's this real, there's this real juncture. I think Roland Fraser had the greatest line. I really enjoyed him. I really.

Dean: Yeah, he's great.

Dan: Really, really enjoyed him. And he said, let me describe the world right now. Everything, everything in the world is for sale.

Dean: Yes, that's true.

Dan: Yeah. In other words, it has either gone way down in value, so it's a good deal, or it's going to go really up in value. And that's a good deal.

Dean: Yes. Yeah. I think that's especially true of things that are Cloudlandia enabled, you know, that are, that are rooted in Cloudlandia.

Dan: That's a special category. That's a special category for our ongoing podcast, Landia Enabled.

Dean: Yeah, yeah, it's really, I'm really having an amazing time just kind of really doing the exploration here under this context that I think we're really, we're cartographers of a new territory.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. It's a, it's. Yeah. And what would it be like? Well, it'd be, you know, that's why I like thinking in terms of transfer transportation systems. Peter Zientsev is one of the greatest, you know, the greatest breakthroughs, and it's not given enough credit is deep water navigation and he said, you know, that you didn't have to stay within the site of land, you know, you know, they worked out, when they worked out, I'm trying to think which one it is. Longitude was the difficult one. So they figured out, you know, how to figure out longitude. They already knew how latitude was figured out. That was, that was easy. But longitude was the big one. So they could know exactly where they were. And, you know, it was a whole bunch of, you know, rule of thumb and various other things. And then they developed the technology to actually coordinate the. They had chronometers which were actually tipping watches and it was at the Greenwich, Greenwich time. And then they had, they had hourglass, you know, the, the, what's it called where you put the sand over and the sand goes down into the bottom and then.

Dean: Yeah, hourglass.

Dan: And then they had sextants that could actually figure out the relationship of the sun. And they put them all together. I'm reading this great series called the Master and Commander series by Patrick O' Brien has 20 novels about a ship's captain during the Napoleonic War. And very, very interesting how they figured out within seconds of where they were time wise when there's nothing but water around and how much that made a difference that changed the world. Well, Peter Zion says that all international trade, all International trade is 90% water dependent

Dean: still.

Dan: And. Yeah, well, still, yeah.

Dean: Of the moving of physical goods. Right.

Dan: Because cheap, very, very cheap. It's 1/12 the cost of any other form of transportation. The closest to it, you know, is it's 1:12. It's just really, really cheap. And he said the big thing was that only, it's only available if the US Navy guarantees safety for all that shipping. And if the US Navy only does it for part of the shipping, then the rest of the shipping won't be valuable.

Dean: Yeah, that's what I was. That's one of the things I hadn't thought about that one in particular. But that's a, that's under this category that I've been observing of how much of the foundation has been laid to get to this point. You know, like when I, we talk about music and books and I mean if you take books, for example, the, the progression of the foundation that had to be laid to get to this point, starting with the, with language itself, developing language and words that everybody kind of agreed on and understood, which then, you know, that allows things. But then the distribution of the ideas with the printing press and all of that stuff to get to the point now where the words can Be. You know, you can get your words to anybody in the world. You know, you think about the geography thing that you were just describing, the navigation, that we're at a point right now where, you know, 500 years ago, there it was breaking news that the world was round and that. And that, you know, now we're in a situation where I can give you a series of numbers that pinpoint my precise location on the planet.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: By. What is that called? That. The GPS global positioning system. Yeah. How old is GPS?

Dan: Probably, I think, probably 70s, probably 70s. Because you had to have satellites. Yeah, yeah. So they had to have enough satellite coverage.

Dean: And how. How. How. What level? What's the pixel level of that? Like, how precise is my location? You know, to. Is it to a foot, inch, a Less than an inch?

Dan: What? Yeah, yeah. Probably be down to that level. Yeah, yeah. It's different in different parts of the world. I mean, you would be obviously, where you're where you are, but in Antarctica, it wouldn't be as precise. Yeah.

Dean: Okay.

Dan: Nor are there that many people requiring it.

Dean: Yeah, no, I mean, I get it. So. But you look at it, that we're at a precision level, that my GPS coordinates in my reading room, where I am now, compared to in my living room, is a completely even different thing. That level of precision of our locations.

Dan: Wow.

Dean: And you think about that now, that allows. That's the backbone of all of these things. Like, I get a kick out of watching we do grubhub deliveries or instacart. And now they're all enabled where you can actually watch the progression of the vehicle, the delivery coming on your phone. You could see exactly where they are.

Dan: Yeah. I mean, it's really interesting how Uber was always off.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Like, I always found that Uber was never, you know, you had to go out on the street and.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: You had to hail them. I always said, you know, it surprised me that their system wasn't more precise. Yeah. You know, they should be able to knock on the door, you know, say, you know, like, everything like that. So I don't know. I mean, the GPS was created and is maintained by the United States. I don't know if you know that. And then the Chinese want to create their own, and the Russians want to create their own. And one of the big things is satellite wars, you know, in the future. And what was it that Peter Zion said? He says, not well known, because neither country wants it to be known. But about seven, eight years ago, the Chinese destroyed a US military satellite.

Dean: Oh, really?

Dan: Yeah. They did it with a rocket. They did it with a rocket. They actually knocked out. And five days later, seven Chinese military satellites disappeared.

Dean: Wow.

Dan: And the U.S. said, Hope you learned the right lesson from this.

Dean: Wow. Yeah, well,

Dan: you know, I mean, that's why I say that outer space is not going to be a repeat of the United Nations.

Dean: No, exactly.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. U.S. space Force. Well, Elon's going to be right there. He. I think he's really bet. Bet wisely on that one.

Dean: I agree.

Dan: Yeah. Alrighty.

Dean: It's always fun.

Dan: Dan, I am off for three weeks. You will not hear me because I'm going to Cottages for two weekends in a row. This is summer short up here.

Dean: Well, good for you. Get it all in.

Dan: Yep. Summer short here.

Dean: All right. Well, I will look for you when you're back. I'll meet you right here.

Dan: Yep. Good bye. Bye.