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Dean: Welcome to Cloudlandia, Mr. Sullivan.

Dan: Mr. Jackson. I thought I'd wait a few minutes, just give you a sense of superiority.

Dean: Oh, you give me the chance to be reassured by our hold music.

Dan: Yes, yes.

Dean: So I know because I listen to it and with every word I get more and more buoyant, knowing that you're not going to let me down, you're not going to run around, you're not going to desert me, and then just when I start to question it, there you are, first thing through. Well, do I sound different to you today?

Dan: Yeah, your voice is clear.

Dean: I sound. Do I sound immune?

Dan: Yes, yes. You definitely feel like you. You're like a vaccinated entity.

Dean: That's what I feel like. I'm. I'm immune. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: So I finally. We got Florida opened up for everyone for vaccines, so I was able to get vaccinated yesterday. Mm.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: There we go. Yeah.

Dan: Well, it's interesting, the folks who are kind of plugged into the inside of this, you know, in other words, they're into medical research and further doctors, they say that probably this is now going to be a yearly thing that.

Dean: Oh, annual. Annual boosters or.

Dan: Well, actually it'll be all virus. So one wouldn't be just Covid. Would be.

Dean: Oh, get that vaccinated thing. We know that's out there right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dan: Or they've kind of got the code for virus, in other words.

Dean: Okay.

Dan: And that they now. This is what I'm told. So they. They now have all virus protection. All virus protection.

Dean: Wow.

Dan: You know, this is. This is what they're thinking is so this type, you know, so, you know, I mean, I can remember when polio, you know, was a recurring thing and it would have, like, pandemics and everything like that.

Dean: Yeah. Was that in your lifetime or just before you.

Dan: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dean: 40s was kind of the heyday of it, right?

Dan: Yeah, actually late 40s and early 50s. It was actually a big thing when I first started school. And then Sock. S A L K. Dr. Sock. And then about seven or eight years later, there was Dr. Sabin. S A B I N. So Sock and Sabin and. And, you know, the Saban was a kind of a lifetime one. You. You won't get polio during your lifetime.

Dean: Oh, wow.

Dan: Exactly. You won't get. You won't get dragged down by the current. You know, the current.

Dean: Right.

Dan: And then say statement. So. Yeah, it's very rare to hear anybody, you know, at polio. You know, I. I don't.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Haven't heard it. And so, you know, I mean, great things are happening. I mean. Yes, this is. Yeah.

Dean: What's the situation in. In Canada? Have you guys been able to get vaccinated yet or what's going on up there?

Dan: Yeah, Babs and I. Babs got hers. On the Saturday before, so last week, and then I got it the previous Wednesday. So, yeah, I'm. I've got seniority over here, so.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Yeah. But she took me. I. I held her hand, she took me, and. And then.

Dean: Well, that's good.

Dan: We walked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like being. I like being. I like being taken.

Dean: Yes, I like that, too. Yeah.

Dan: And I just want to thank you. I just want to thank you for my clubhouse experience. Two clubhouse experiences last week, and I

Dean: was gonna mention that. How's that?

Dan: You know, and I enjoy it. Well, you know, it's kind of like, you know, focusing it, you know, is. Means that you're not taking in everything and you kind of looking, you know, you're looking for an area that feels familiar, and being asked questions and talking about them is something I'm very familiar with. So my first default is to ask questions. My second default is to answer. Answer questions.

Dean: This is good.

Dan: Yeah. So by Thursday, I felt comfortable that I could. I could entertain questions and answer them, and it was good. It was good. You know, it was.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Yeah. And, you know, you know, we're talking inside about the possibility of having. Having podcasts, you know, podcasts on Clubhouse.

Dean: Well, I think would be. I think what would make. I think, ours.

Dan: I would start with you. Yeah, I think I would.

Dean: Your guy. Have you talked. Does Gord know how to do that? How to record the.

Dan: He's. He's looking into. He's looking into it. So. Okay. Do you know anyone who knows?

Dean: I don't yet. So that's the.

Dan: Well, we have Paul. We have Paul Culligan, and Paul.

Dean: Yeah, yeah.

Dan: Seems to be ahead of the game there. And Paul.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: So, you know, I mean, Paul was one of our.

Dean: Oh, you know, who knows is Ilco. Ilko. Ilko. Deborah knows as well.

Dan: Yeah, we can talk to Ilco about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dean: But I think it would be fun. Like, I think that would be, you know, I think this topic would lend itself to, you know, you and I having. Starting out, just having a conversation with, like this and then opening up for field reports from. From the different outposts in Cloudlandia and the mainland. I think it's. It's a fun thing.

Dan: You know, one of the things that I was thinking during this week, I was reflecting back where our podcast started with Procrastination and now Cloudlandia. And what struck me is that most of. Most of the reasons why people procrastinate is because they don't have cloud landing abilities.

Dean: Right, Exactly. Yeah. I think that's really the thing is that there, that's the. I'm getting so clear on this, you know, on the hard lines between vision and capabilities and reach that, that, you know, when you're staying in your strength on that, that different. The. The capabilities are really where the who's all live. You know, that there's who's for every capability that's available. Yeah.

Dan: You know, it's interesting. We're doing the Gaping Gain book. So Ben Hardy just submitted the first draft to Hay House and they really love it. They got, you know, huge enthusiasm. And I read it and I've got some. I don't have any real copy changes. I have structural, you know, I look for structure. You know, how do you get in as fast, fast as possible. So I, you know, I, I did uncertainty, certain certainty, uncertainty overview with it and send it to him, you know, where, you know, this is really good. This is really good. This is really good. This is really good. This is really good. And then I asked where uncertainty. I just asked a series of questions about, you know, if you, you know, whenever I have an idea that has a graphic, I try to get the graphic up as fast as possible because it gives people a map of the territory we're going to explore.

Dean: Yeah, it's easier to explain the narrative. It's easier to. The narrative makes more sense when you see.

Dan: Yeah. I mean, if you were exploring new land and you say, when, when we get finished exploring, I'll show you the map of what we just covered. People would say, well, why don't you show me the map up front? That'll help me. And they said, no, no, no, no. I don't want to deprive you of the, of the experience of being confused and worried.

Dean: Oh, man, that's the best. Well, it is.

Dan: Yeah. And I said, why don't you just show them the map up front? And then they can even correct the map as a result of their experience. In other words, they say, you know, this isn't quite right here. This looks like it's, you know, on the map it looks like it's mile long, but it's only been about a half a mile and we're making the turn already. And they said, well, that's good. Note, you Know, you can put, you know, and I'm sure that's how all maps eventually get more accurate over time. It's just, you know, someone having something to start with and then they say, no, that's not quite right there. That's. You can be more precise about this. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's where humans are mappers. You know, they're. We're explorers, we're mappers, and we trade maps and, you know, like, you know, I mean, your vision. Vision capability and reach is a map. You know, it's a map. Look, there's lots of things to think about here, but if you just had three categories to look for, you know, you know, where. Where are the vision assets? Where the capability assets? Where are the reach assets? It makes sense of. It tells you right off the bat whether there's something interesting going on here or not, you know?

Dean: Yes. Did you. I haven't had a chance to read the first draft yet, but I had some good conversations with Ben about the stuff. So I think there might be some things about our. I know I'm being successful when in there, You know, knowing, looking, having a picture of what. What the. What it looks like. You say, yeah, yeah.

Dan: Well, I got my, My reading of the first draft was just how. First of all, it starts off with Tucker, because Tucker has a really great intro and then. And then you get into the actual introduction. And so my thought was Ben didn't get to my diagram of the gap and gain until chapter one.

Dean: Okay, right.

Dan: I. I would.

Dean: I said get that in there right away.

Dan: Well, I would have started the introduction off with a story of how, how the diagram got, you know, what the actual experience was. It was a particular workshop and I was responding to a particular client and I drew this diagram and then, you know, just talk about what the diagram and the understanding of the concept seems to do almost to all, you know, high achievers, because our book is dedicated to high achievers and. And then introduce it and then start and get into, you know, take it apart people's experience chapter by chapter and give other experiences and then give, you know, and show how the gap and gain understanding does this rather than that. And then his psychological research. Because it's got a lot of psychological research.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: You know, for this and every chapter that. And don't load down the introduction with a lot of psychological research. Just talk about, you know, this was an event. This was a create, you know, a creation of the event. And, you know, here's what five high achievers say about what this. Then Bang, Introduction's over. And then get into the, you know, get into the rest of it, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dean: That's awesome. What was. Was the gap in the game concept? Was that in how the best get better? Do you remember?

Dan: Huh? In the book how the best.

Dean: Yeah. Remember you're in the info product. Yeah, exactly. You had the knowledge.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Knowledge products or whatever back then.

Dan: Yeah, I would. Yeah, I would suspect that it probably.

Dean: Okay.

Dan: I mean, it's. It's about.

Dean: Right around.

Dan: It's about 93. The birth of. This is around 1993.

Dean: So.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: So. Yeah.

Dan: And that book was after that. Yeah, first book was my first book. Wasn't until 95. The Great Crossover was my first book,

Dean: you know, and so I remember that was impactful. When I first read that, like when I joined the first time, 1997,

Dan: that

Dean: was, you know, that understanding, like that gap looking. Measuring progress, not measuring the horizon. That was really. That. That was sort of the beginning of kind of thinking about what. Well, what would it look like in the press if I'm here, how will I measure that I'm there? How will I know that I'm being successful rather than keeping it out as in the horizon?

Dan: Well, the beautiful thing about your set of criteria is that they're measurements, and that's the game. Most people don't have measurements. They're searching for a feeling being there. You know, in other words, they imagine inside themselves that, you know, that, you know, when I reach my ideal, I will have this amazing feeling inside of myself. And I said, well, I said, well, good luck with that, you know.

Dean: Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: And I think that's why drug addiction is partially associated with people who, you know, who are failing to achieve their ideals. Because the drug kind of gives you. It gives you some sort of altered feeling, you know, it gives you some. There's a sense that you've broken through into some new realm of enlightenment. The problem is it's. It's got a short shelf life, you know, and so my sense is, don't worry about the feeling. I said, you know, have the feeling of proven measurements of progress. And that's a good feeling. And that. That doesn't go away. That feeling of actually achieving measurable progress doesn't go away. Yeah.

Dean: Very exciting. The hat I had.

Dan: Well, you know, it's interesting though, and I was thinking about it, and you were asking the question about Canada, and way behind, probably the worst period of really bad leadership at all levels, federal, provincial, that I've experienced since I've been in Canada. And that'll be 50 years in June. Did I hear right that you're back

Dean: on lockdown now again?

Dan: Oh, yeah. We've always been on lockdown. You know, I mean. I mean.

Dean: Oh, I thought you were open. And then just last week or whatever went into.

Dan: Oh, no, no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There. There's what it is that they lock down. And then after loc, people are starting to get careless and reckless, so they say, okay, back on lockdown. You know, but they were in lockdown. They were. They just weren't paying any attention to it, so they come down and. And so it's just bizarre. The. You know, I haven't. I haven't heard one Canadian politician, political leader, or medical leader actually give a kind of reasonable overview of what we can expect. You know, here's the deal. We do know something. We are making progress. This is three kinds of progress. This progress. This progress. This progress. Okay, here's what we don't know. You know, we don't know. You know, we still don't know whether there's some people who are naturally immune to the virus, because there are people who are naturally immune, okay? And we know that, you know, that the people who die are 90% over age 65. We know this, you know, and everything else.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And that. But they don't. They said, we know that you have to be masked and you have to be six feet away. Well, you know, that. That. That's kind of. That's kind of say, saying, you know, it's easier to walk on land than it is in the water. You know, it's easier to walk when you're on land.

Dean: Oh, man, that's so funny. Yes.

Dan: You know.

Dean: Yep, yep, yep, yep.

Dan: I can check that.

Dean: Can't argue with that, right?

Dan: Nope, nope, nope.

Dean: You know, he's got a good point. Yeah.

Dan: And they're number 42 of the advanced nations. I didn't know there were 42 advanced nations. So that was a useful piece of information. There we go. And, you know, like, the US Is, like, number nine, but the US Is a continent of countries. You know, I mean, the US Is very, very different from almost every other country. It's Florida as a country. You know, Florida is a country. And, you know, a lot of people are leaving the country of New York to move to the country of Florida because Florida. Florida is a better country to be in. And, you know, so these are big countries. Florida is a big country. You know, and. So anyway, US Is just harder to talk About. Because it's got so much going on and that's so big, you know, and it's all filled up, too. It's not like Australia, where. I mean, Australia's as. Is, as. You know, wide across from Sydney to Perth, it's from New York to la. But the difference is the United States has a lot of stuff in the middle.

Dean: Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's. I didn't realize there were that many developed. Is that what they call them, developed countries or advanced.

Dan: Yeah, developed. Well, developed. Yeah, developed countries. And.

Dean: Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: But, you know, Singapore is an advanced country, you know, but it's a city.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: You know. Yeah, yeah. So that counts as a country. And anyway, Luxembourg, you know, Luxembourg, you know, little country, you know, little countries like that. Liechtenstein, now there's a country. I think they. They might have 100,000 people. I'm not sure.

Dean: Yeah. I told you that I had a gentleman from Lichtenstein at my breakthrough blueprint event. I believe he was a strategic coach guy. And. Yeah, that's funny. But definitely, you know, that's the one thing that I'm really loving about the.

Dan: This

Dean: about Cloudlandia doing the events is having instantly having in the same. In the same bubble. The same, you know, Cloudlandia room, boardroom, zoom room. Having someone from Lichtenstein and someone from Hawaii on the same.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: In the same room.

Dan: Yeah. And we've had that growing experience over the past year because we've arranged the 10 times workshops and the connector calls that you can show up for anyone that you want. I mean, you have one that matches your schedule.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: From the previous. In person. But you. If you want to do three of them, go ahead and do them. Just let us, you know, let us know.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Day or two before so we can account for. And we get you the materials. We can. That you can download the materials. And, you know, but, you know, I had One in the UK we put in a special UK, like a lot of the UK people had, you know, had come to. For 10 times. They had come to Chicago or they'd come to Toronto. They were used to doing that, and they still do that. But then I have a special one halfway through the quarter. That's actually the first workshop of the second month. And that was Thursday just a few days ago. And, you know, we started seven in the morning, which is noon in London, which.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Works, you know, and. Yeah, but, you know, there were individuals there who had done their first workshop the month before and they were back just to, you know, go through things again. And then we had some, you know, we had one from Paris, one from Monaco, two from Mumbai. Two from Mumbai.

Dean: Great. That's great.

Dan: Yeah, and it's great. You know, and it's all the same thing that. What I noticed and I meant to talk to you about this and I was just reflecting because we've got. Since the, we started the virtual program, brand new since September we've had five workshops with 170. 170 people. Good numbers actually. Really good numbers and. But from 30 different countries, you know, and about seven or eight of them are brand new countries. We haven't had these, we haven't had these countries before. Singapore. Not Singapore, but Malaya, you know, we have Singapore, which. Yeah, you know.

Dean: Well, this is going to be an interesting experiment for me is I've got one coming up in. Not this week but next week in Australia time. So I'm doing it like I'm starting it at, you know, going from six o' clock my time, six o' clock

Dan: here in the evening.

Dean: Six till midnight.

Dan: Yeah, that's eight o' clock their time, I guess.

Dean: Exactly. Yeah, we're gonna do it.

Dan: Yeah, it's regular or 7 o' clock in the morning.

Dean: Yeah, 7 o' clock to midnight I think. And yeah, so that'll be interesting, you know, to accommodate the. Because that'll get Singapore and all that. New Zealand and Australia, that whole hemisphere. So that's good. I'm gonna.

Dan: Yeah, well don't be, don't be, don't be drinking hot milk because that'll make you doze.

Dean: No, exactly. But the good news is it's interesting too that we may get people from our time zone who prefer to do the evenings night school, the night session, you know.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Yeah. Well that's going to be fun.

Dan: It's so funny. I want to tell you something, Scott, Donald. You know, Scott is the happy, yeah, the happy thing. And it's very, very interesting because they, they sent through a extra potent signal now. It's called deep sleep. Oh boy. Yeah, it came through body well I think.

Dean: Can they update it on the fly and remotely?

Dan: Yeah, they, it just, it just, your, your sleepy just becomes deep sleep. So they just, they just send it, send it out. And so I had him talk about it. He was on, he was on a connector, a 10 times connector during the week. So I haven't, you know, it's a way of reintroducing, you know, what he has. And he said, yeah, he said we like they were using signals that were kind of like from melatonin or something. Like that, you know, like. But this one is actually. It's Ambien without the drug.

Dean: It's.

Dan: It's like Ambien. And boy, I tell you, I really feel. I mean, I just. Like, first night, I went seven hours, just like that.

Dean: Wow. So you're on board with this? You're on board the efficacy of it? Yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Well, that's awesome.

Dan: You know, people say, well, do you really believe in that? And I said, well, it's important that you do.

Dean: Right, right.

Dan: Well, I don't believe in that stuff. And I said, well, I probably won't.

Dean: Oh, that's funny. It's important that you do.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. I mean. I mean, doctors, researchers will tell you that, you know, what's it called when it's the belief and the thing that does. There's the name.

Dean: I wonder what the. Yeah, I wonder. Because I wondered about that myself. I only had a little experience to. To play with it at the annual event, just at one of the tables. I was at a table with Scott. And so I haven't had a chance to do it. But I was wondering then. I'm always sort of a skeptic on things like that in a way that I was. I was curious whether if you didn't tell somebody what the signal was that's happening, would they experience the. Would they describe what they're feeling as something that would align with the stated purpose of it is, you know.

Dan: Well, you know, it's. You know, I'll just use my recent clubhouse experience.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: I did it because you believed in it. Okay.

Dean: Right.

Dan: I mean, I did it. I got your belief. I got Mike Koenigs belief. I got. And especially me, I got her belief. And I said, I believe. I believe that they think this is an important experience.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: So I'm willing just to go ahead and have the experience. Have the experience and kind of sort it out. And it's at. After two exercises, you know, I said, I feel more that this is worth exploring further and experimenting with further than I did a week ago. And that's all the measurement I really need. I'm more intrigued a week later than I was when I was intrigued a week ago. But now I'm more intrigued because I can relate it to my experiences.

Dean: Yeah. I'll call Scott. H, A, P, B, E, E. That's it.

Dan: Right, Right.

Dean: B. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. And, you know, I've tested. There are six. He has six different signals for different experiences. And the two. The two that I would say, the. Actually the three where I first of all I can tell the difference among the three. I can tell that this is really a different. But also, it's noticeably different, you know, than what I was feeling a minute before I put it on.

Dean: Wow.

Dan: Yeah. And. And the three are calm.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: And Which I'm on right now. I always do calm on my podcast, you know, and. And then focus is really, really good. Focus. Focus is really good for me. And sleep. And sleep. So the three of those really work. And, you know, and I. I would use.

Dean: Sleep with it or sleep in. Yeah. Leading up.

Dan: Yeah, I just put it. No, I just put it around. I just, you know. And you put it under your pillow. If you want, you can put it under your pillow.

Dean: Oh, that works. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: So just for those who don't know what Dean and I are talking about, there's a device. It's called a happy H, A P, B, E, E. One word. And the reason it's called happy is that there's a little buzz when you put on one of the signals. You can actually hear it on your phone. It goes like this. And so it's, you know, all the moods. It makes you happy because you can control and manage and focus and direct your moods. And. Anyway, and it's based that every experience that you have emotionally, psychologically, has a unique electromagnetic signal inside your body when you're in that mood. And they can trigger that mood from the outside without you having to take, you know, like a drug to do it.

Dean: Amazing.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: I was getting better.

Dan: Well, I've been thinking about. Because he talks about now that they're exploring ones and they're under development, where there's a electromagnetic signal that you don't feel hungry, and while you have the signal on, you don't feel hungry. I said, oh, boy.

Dean: Do you imagine.

Dan: Yeah, Yeah. I mean, for example, you know, I'm sure that when you want sugar, there's a signal going on. You know, it's kind of like Men in Black. Give me sugar. I want sugar.

Dean: Right.

Dan: You know? You know, and I'm sure that something just changed inside your body that, you know, sugar is in your. You know, sugar is in your mind. And. And, you know, and that's crazy. Every. Everything that shows up as a thought probably is triggered by some sort of electromagnetic signal in your body.

Dean: Yeah. Yeah. This is. That's wild. The whole. Yeah, it's just thinking now about how all these things.

Dan: And this is. This is quite. This is. This is pure Cloudlandia, you know? Yeah.

Dean: I was just gonna say remotely run from Cloudlandia, that somehow you could get your signal adjusted from. From dispatch in the. In the cloud. Can you imagine, like, you just getting a glimpse of what these medical device like, imagine now, you know, we've got access to everything. I've been wearing an aura ring, and so it measures all kinds of things, but really, it's. It's amazing to think, you know, that this is, like, the gateway to everything being measured. Peter Diamandis had talked years ago about the, you know, smart toilets that would measure your weight and your. Your test your urine and fecal matter and all of it, you know, completely monitoring everything to find the moment something changes and alert you or alert your medical team of what's happening. I mean, it's just. It's crazy to think about what we're going to think of as normal 20 years from now. Yeah, well, like, if you take that on the trajectory.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. I got one of my future quarterly books said the future is always normal. Yeah. And. And in other words, you think of something in the future and you. Man, that'll be amazing when we get there. But actually, actually, it won't actually happen until the actual day that you use it. You just feel normal. You just feel normal using it.

Dean: Right.

Dan: And. And it's kind of funny because I don't drive. I don't drive.

Dean: I do.

Dan: I can drive, but I don't drive. And Tesla still. Tesla is still no closer to normal than it was three years ago when we got it for me. And the reason is I actually. I actually don't drive it. And we had this weird thing happen. We went to the cottage three weeks ago, and we're on an island in a lake, and there's a causeway so you can actually drive onto the island. And as soon as you get on the island, there are two roads. One goes, you know, one goes to the right, one goes to the left. And the one on the left at the very end of it is Shannon Waller and Bruce. Bruce, her husband, Bruce Green. That's their cottage. And then when you go to the right at the very end of it, that's our cottage.

Dean: Okay.

Dan: So during the winter, we pay for, you know, plow to come in and plow the road, so everybody else gets the benefit. There's about probably, maybe, I don't know, 15 other cottages on the island, but they. They get the benefits. You know, they get the benefit. But the problem is that our snowplow guy took a huge amount of snow and he pushed it right in front of our garage. Well, that's where The Tesla has to sit to get the charger, right? Yeah. And.

Dean: Oh, we were, you know, we got

Dan: there and I said, oh, man, this is crazy. This is really, really crazy, you know. And so we were thinking, how we going to do it? And finally I said, babs, let's just pull the charger out as far as we can. And we had two inches left. Oh, no, it could have been two inches longer. So we were able to charge it up. But I said, you know, it's kind of something new to think about because you have this.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: You require electricity. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, it's interesting, but my sense is, you know, think about how you live anyway. And all the things that would have been probably kind of weird 50 years ago.

Dean: Well, I think about. I mean, I don't go back 50 years to think about it, but certainly I think about 30 years. You know, Like, I think about the. My kind of looking back as, you know, between 1990 and. And, you know, 2020 here. And I think about, you know, I think about. Because I did some reflecting on the kind of days that brought me joy then and now, but I look at what's different day to day. Like, what do we completely consider normal, you know, that we're everything about this day. If I just go through the line item here of the day, first of all, I woke up, you know, and we've got. My iPhone is right there. And we. I ordered some breakfast from First Watch is a nice restaurant that we love to order breakfast from on Sundays. So I ordered this on my iPhone to be delivered to the house here. And never have any interaction with anybody. You don't pay any money. It's just like, click, click, click. I'll have the avocado toast and this and the breakfast tacos and blah, blah, blah. And then it shows you on the app the progress that the delivery driver is making so you could track them on the map to see that they get here. Then we went in and proceeded then to watch a. There's a show that we like to watch called Bull, and it's a trial scientist guy. But we watch on demand, like literally to pull from. We had access to any show you can imagine. Anything that we wanted to watch was available to us then. Then I had to. At 11 o', clock, I knew I had to come in to the reading room here. I've got my iPhone again. I said, siri, call Uber conference. And here we are, you know, doing a podcast that nobody. We didn't even. That wasn't even a word that existed 30 years ago, like no part of, no part of my day today, which seems completely normal to your point, was even a shred of thinking of evidence of there was no even nothing pointing in the direction of. You know what you'll be able to do one day?

Dean: Pick up this little rectangle and order whatever you want for breakfast to come right to your house, and then you can watch whatever you want to watch on tv and then you're going to talk to a guy you know, 1500 miles away, record it in space, and then you're going to hang up and nothing that's going to set a whole wheel that's going to set all the wheels of cooperation in motion to then post this up on the Internet so that everybody in the world can listen to it. I mean, when you say it like that, when you kind of narrate your day in the world where overlay it on 30 years ago what you might be doing on a Sunday in April.

Dan: Yeah. The interesting thing, you know, that I, what I'm picking up from your, you know, the description of today and then doing a 30 year, 30 year, you know, was it this way 30 years ago? No, not at all.

Dean: Not at all.

Dan: What was the same 30 years ago is on that, that day you felt normal and today you feel normal.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And my sense is that human beings greatest stability or probably the difference between human beings is how much of a completely different future can you normalize. In other words, feel the same about.

Dean: Right.

Dan: And I'm getting more and more that there's never that big amazing thing that happens in the future.

Dean: Okay.

Dan: The, the big thing about the future is that it motivates you now to explore, study, research, you know, experiment, get used to. And the, the huge transformational feeling about the future is what's happening today, that you would start changing yourself today or improving yourself today to get ready to normalize something different in the future.

Dean: Yeah, it's true, isn't it? I mean, when you start, it feels like I've often said that we do sort of ratchet forward our progress, that once we've locked in a new normal, we don't go backwards. Like we're not going to go back to not having cell phones, back to not having the, you know, or preferring every, every food option being delivered to us. That's, that's the new, that's normal now. And we don't want to go backwards from that. Yeah.

Dan: Well, let me ask you a question because you have gone back on one particular thing over the past year.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: What's that. Travel. Travel. Yeah, yeah. Like airline travel, you've got.

Dean: But I think we've evolved, though. I don't look at that as going backwards. I look at that as we've gone forwards to that. We don't need it. We've transcended it now.

Dan: Yeah. Well, here's. You know, it's really interesting. We were driving to the cottage, and we haven't been to the cottage since Canadian Thanksgiving. So that for Americans, that's Columbus Day. In the States, it's the second Monday. It's the second Monday of October. That's the. The Canadian Thanksgiving. And I said, when was the last time? So it's five and a half months. So it's five and a half months. So October, November, November, December, December, January, January, February, March. Yeah, it was five and a half months since we had been to the cottage before. And I said, when is the last time in my life since I had not taken. How long back in my life had I gone? Five and a half months without a major distance trip, you know?

Dean: Yes.

Dan: Where I would cover this is like three hours. It's about three hours, more or less continuous driving. I said, when's the last time I went? And it was before I had a memory.

Dean: Yeah, me too. I mean, that's. I'm saying. I was just talking about that. That. That's. I. This week I went down. I went south about 90 minutes from me. And that's the law. I have not been in 11 months now. No, 13 months now. Further than 90 minutes by car from my house.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: And I've never had that in my entire adult life. Maybe even in my entire life, because even my entire childhood, we were going to Florida, you know, two or three times a year. I was training. When I started playing tennis, I was going even more than that, but then moving here, and every year from then, this is the least. But I don't look at it that we're. That we've missed out now. I feel like we've transcended it, that we've come to, especially on the. On the business side. Anyway.

Dan: Well, the interesting thing is because I was really talking up Zoom, and there's a part of my life where people are in touch with great predictions about the future, and one of them has to do with VR, AR. Virtual reality, augmented reality. And, you know, and they said, yeah, you know, like in three years, Zoom will be gone and it'll be replaced by virtual reality. And I said, well, let's just do a comparison here. This I know for a fact, because we Know people who are connected to the Zoom Corporation that their daily users in 12 months went from 10 million a day to 500 million a day, 50 times. And I said, let's supposing we had the lockdown and we didn't have any of these. Like, you didn't have Zoom. You didn't have.

Dean: Could you imagine if the lockdown was in 1990? Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: And I said, but you did have virtual reality and AR in the present form. Do you think the world would have adapted over the last year to virtual reality that required putting on goggles and everything else? I said, I don't think so.

Dean: No.

Dan: I said, no. As far as I. As far as I can see, the only thing that was required to use Zoom is three clicks.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: And I said, what.

Dean: I'm.

Dan: What I'm envisioning, I've. I've been real good at three clicks for about 35 years, you know, since my Mac 2 or my. My original Mac, my Mac 1. And I. I said, I. I had three clicks down, and it didn't take me more than a minute to get that skill.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And I said, yeah. If it requires a brand new skill, it's like you're asking people to program. In other words, they have to learn codes and everything else. Well, I said, the adaptation is not going to be fast, you know, to that. Because I said, that's not worth it.

Dean: Yeah. No. I'm envisioning, Dan, that I'm sitting in a reading room that I have here in my house, and there's a wall right in front of me. There's a window on it now, but I imagine a wall, a room like this with a big wall that is all, you know, 8K video wall that you. I could be sitting here in my comfy chair and have a screen of you sitting in your comfy chair. On the other side would be on the other side of that wall, but it would feel like we're right here. I think that's a better. I'm more. Much more likely to see that then than see, you know, the other. Putting on the gear and all that stuff.

Dan: Well, not only that, but being together in a strange new room, you know, I don't want to be in a strange new room in your chair.

Dean: Yeah. And if we just like.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Have that as a pain that's just looking into your world. Yeah.

Dan: And then you're telling me that I have to be an avatar. Like, I can't. I can't have the real Dean. I can't have. Right. Dean. I Have.

Dean: No.

Dan: And I said, why do I want to do that?

Dean: So I said.

Dan: I says, what I like about it is that it's somebody. I know it's somebody.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: You know, And. And I've learned how to read gestures, and I've turned out and I've. And everything like that. And you want an avatar. Why would I want to have an avatar?

Dean: You know, I mean, we could literally. I could see a screen. I could see a screen in front of where we could duplicate our table 10 experience. Put the. You know, my. Almost like we're sitting at the same kind of table, you know, but looking. But we'd look right at each other. That would be the thing. I would love that. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah.

Dean: Well, that.

Dan: That really tells you that I think there's an ability. An ability that's probably, in some cases, conscious, but I think a lot of people unconscious over the last 12 months of being more settled and more certain about how you really like to have things.

Dean: Mm. Yeah.

Dan: And part of. People have had probably in the last 20 years. They had more time to. About it over the last 12 months than they had in the last 20 years.

Dean: Yeah. Yeah. I'm really contemplating what you. What you said about it's always normal. The future is always normal. That. That.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Because when I hadn't really line items the day like I did for you this morning. And that's just the first. That's just the morning of this.

Dan: That. Yeah.

Dean: Everything we've. Everything I've done today was inconceivable in 1990, you know?

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Yeah. I like it, though. I like the direction that's going.

Dan: Well, you know, you're unique in my lifetime because our podcast is the single and only experience of my life where I've enjoyed being on the telephone.

Dean: Ah, you see, I meant to ask you something, Dan. I was gonna send you.

Dan: I. I hate the phone. I've always hated. Yeah. Phone because I can't. I can't see anything. I can't see anything, you know? Yeah, I said. And I've got add and it's too easy for me to go off on site.

Dean: Right. But you're using your iPhone, right?

Dan: My iPhone, yes.

Dean: Do you have a headset or do you have. How are you using it? Okay.

Dan: No, I'm just listening to it.

Dean: Yeah. Yeah. I have a. Like, I use these, you know, beats headphones and a Voda. Well, boom mic. And I really enjoy that because it's. Now I don't even think about, you know, hands free, and it just feels like you and I are talking. I hear you perfectly. You hear me perfectly. So if you would like that, I'd like to send you the same things I use.

Dan: Okay.

Dean: For you to experience. Well, that's.

Dan: Well, when we go to Clubhouse, we'll probably want that anyway.

Dean: Yes, I think that would be great. Yeah.

Dan: Because I mean, Clubhouse, you want to

Dean: be able to look at that.

Dan: Well, I have a dedicated iPad for Clubhouse. The iPad will only be used for Clubhouse. And there you go. And. Yeah, so good. That's great. And then I'll definitely talk to Gord Vickman, my podcast manager, and he can. We can talk to Ilco.

Dean: We have.

Dan: We have Yoko's number. So we'll. We'll phone Ilco and just get him on and talk to him about that you recommended. That you recommended and. Yeah, well, we'll do that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's fascinating. We gotta explore this thing about normalizing.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And my sense is that a lot of the bother that people experience,

Dean: you

Dan: know, there's a lot of bother out there because that's what the news media reports on his father.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: The new. The bothered news media reports on all the other people who are bothered too. You know, basically, it's just a big. Every, every day's news cycle is about who's bothered about what that day. You know, and funny. And I say, you know what a lot of the bother is that the inability of people to normalize new. Something new happen and their, their first response to something new is that it bothers them.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: And. And my sense is that they're defending the present against the future. You know that.

Dean: Yes, yes. Yeah, that's what it is. We don't want to change. But you and I, even just the news, we talk about the news reports that if we were talking about the news 30 years ago, we would say, did you read in the Globe today or did you read in the Star yesterday? It's funny, right?

Dan: Yo. No, I. Yeah, yeah, that's what we

Dean: would have been saying 30 years ago. 30 years ago we wouldn't have had like, you know, online. Yeah. That we would have had to wait until the fixed amount of news and context that was available to us in the Globe and Mail on Sunday or the Toronto Star on Saturday. Right.

Dan: Well, the Globe was great for early in my days when I came to Toronto because the. The globe had a 9 o', clock, about an 8 o' clock at night edition and you could get. The Globe and the Star had an afternoon about 4 o' clock or 5 o'. Clock. Yeah, it's kind of interesting how the newspapers used to come out a couple of times a day.

Dean: Twice a day. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Well.

Dan: All right. All right.

Dean: Happy for progress. It's been an hour, Dan.

Dan: I mean, normalize, normalize.

Dean: This is.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. And my sense is that we were talking about countries when we started the program about who's. Who's up to date, you know, who seems to be moving along nicely with vaccination and which countries are behind. And my sense is that, you know, that the US As a country, I mean, there are countries that are ahead of them, but the countries have like 10 million people. The US has 340 million. So, you know, if you're 10 million people and you basically, you know, but you're all just really related to each

Dean: other,

Dan: that it's very, very different from a country where it's made up of 340 million people who come from everywhere. That 340 million country is probably got more fundamental ability to normalize the future than countries that, you know, where everything's more or less the same. And. And, you know, so maybe that's one reason they want to get ahead, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways, these are Cloudlandia topics. If we weren't talking about Cloudlandia, we wouldn't be making these comparisons.

Dean: That's exactly right. Well, you have a great week. I'm going to see you this week. So this week is my work.

Dan: I'll see you tomorrow.

Dean: Yeah, I'll see you tomorrow.