Life Extension

Dean: Welcome to Cloudlandia.

Dan: This meeting is being recorded by the organizer.

Dean: That's reassuring.

Dan: Yes. And I'm talking to someone who's connected to the organizer. I don't know whether you are actually the organizer, but you know people, you know people and you know, you know who's. Who are organizers.

Dean: I cause things to be organized. That's right.

Dan: Yes. Yes, indeed. Yeah.

Dean: Well, welcome back.

Dan: Yeah, thank you. Yeah. It was a worthwhile trip, I'll tell you that.

Dean: I want to hear. Yeah, I want to hear all about it. So.

Dan: Well, you know, it was five days. You know how Peter packs things in. So it was packed in, you know, morning to evening. Peter Diamandis, we started in Boston, so flew to Boston. Travel tax for that day was eight hours. From leaving our house to getting to the hotel was eight hours. And then started the next morning and went through. What was it? It was Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday and whole day each of the days. And I sent Peter a email afterwards. I said, the best five day intense learning experience of my life. Wow, that's a subway point number one. Point number two totally transformed and redirected my notion of where the world's going for the next 50 years. So number two, and Peter was in his sweet spot as a integrator and as a contextualizer.

Dean: So.

Dan: Yeah, and that, that was my email term, you know, not, not, not real wordy, not effusive.

Dean: Yes, Right, right, right now.

Dan: It was terrific.

Dean: Wow. Well, that is, that's something.

Dan: Yeah. And what, you know, the, the two, probably the two concepts, you know, all those responding to surveys over the years have said had the most impact. Them long range were the gap in the game, which will be a hay house book in October. But the number one is the lifetime extender. Lifetime extender, yeah.

Dean: Right.

Dan: And you know, generally Starting in the 1990s, its value was as a thinking tool, you know, that this was a good way to think about your future and to. And. But after these five days, I'd have to say that probably within. Let's put in my age, I'm 77. And by the time I'm 85, that will be the last year that I age physically. After that, I will sort of hover at 85 and then I'll start moving backwards. And I have enormous amounts of confidence that, yeah, things that were presented at the conference that, that by the time I'm 100, I will be able to move my physical age back to 50.

Dean: Wow, that is so encouraging. That's great news, isn't it? So yeah, What I'm, I'm excited to hear. Do you want to share some of the.

Dan: Yeah, I will, I will.

Dean: Insights and segues.

Dan: First of all, Peter is putting together a video, a three minute summary on the part of each of the speakers. And there were about 25, so it'd be about a 75 minute and probably longer than I would probably be two hours. Because Peter will do the segues, you

Dean: know, he'll do the background introductions and

Dan: yeah, we started off with David Sinclair, you know, who I is at Harvard. And his whole point is that he's discovered kind of the, you know, the inner workings and the triggers that can actually reverse aging very significantly, and claims for himself that he at 52 has probably reversed 10 years in the last 10 years. You know, and he looks good. I mean, he looks good. Terrific. You know, he doesn't look 52. And, and you know, he, and he's got companies, you know, around this. So these are scientists, they're all scientists. And the vast majority of them, Boston area, Boston area scientists. And, and Boston's real hotbed for this. And I'll just mention three things that I think have to be for someplace to be a hotbed in this life extension age rehearsal movement, you know, and then, and then we had person after person. Probably, probably, I'm talking about 30, probably 30. But on Friday, Friday afternoon, we went up to Dean Kamen's factory complex in Manchester, Hampshire.

Dean: Had you been before?

Dan: No, never. First time I'd ever been there, yeah.

Dean: Okay.

Dan: And, yeah, and interestingly enough was just the architecture because all the buildings that he's using were built in the 1870s, 1880s, and Manchester was the number one textile manufacturing center in the world. Manchester, New Hampshire. New Hampshire. New Hampshire. And it's all right on a river. And they had, they made use of water wheels, you know, in the first place, and then steam power and, you know, moved down to electricity and everything else. But it all closed down probably in the late 20s, 1920s, 1930s, and all that industry moved to the south, moved to the Carolinas and to Georgia. And these buildings just sat down empty. They just sat empty for, you know, 90, I won't say 90 years, but 80 years anyway. And then Dean Kamen, who is, well, you know, he's not a scientist, but he's a marvelous inventor and he's marvelous at manufacturing his inventions. So one of, he's famous for his at home dialysis machine, which he has sold a million that produced and sold a million of them. And that's a big deal. And lots and lots of other things, you know, and everything. He's an inventor, 80, 90 patents, something like that. And anyway, but his big push now, right now is health and medical breakthroughs. And he showed us a machine. So imagine and strategic coach 2 of our workshop tables, end to end. Okay. Just, you know, kind of in your imagination, but that's true. And he's got a machine, it's a seven stage machine, all connected together electronically. And he just got clearance from all regulatory bodies in the US Government that in January a baby is born, analyzed within the first six months of having a deficient heart. Won't live, you know, won't, probably won't live for more than a few years. Might not. Certainly won't make it past 10 years old. So you can take cells out of the baby's heart, put it in one end of the machine, and at the other end of the machine 45 days later is a brand new, completely identical heart. But unbelievable, totally healthy. And you just do an operation, take the one heart out. It's the baby's DNA, so there's no rejection on the part of the body. Well, that's really interesting. That's one machine.

Dan: But within 18 months, you'll have warehouses with shelves filled with a machine that's not 8ft long, but a machine that's 18 inches long, about, you know, maybe 15 inches high. And each of them will be pumping out a custom design heart for a baby. And he says we'll have four or five hundred of them in a room and they're on 45 day cycle. Do one in 45 days, then they'll be able to do 500 in 45 days, you know, anywhere. Anywhere in the world. Yeah. And then he's, he's already doing bone, he's doing cartilage, he's doing skin for the Department of Defense, you know, because of battlefield injuries and you know, that, and move on the kidneys and livers and so on. And what he's doing is he's got these 10 buildings and you have to picture them because the smallest is 50,000 square feet. The biggest ones 100,000.

Dean: Wow, that's crazy.

Dan: These are really, really big buildings. And he bought them. He bought the first one from someone who owned it and he bought the next nine from Warren Buffett. Warren Buffett owned them. Yeah. And so he bought one and fixed it up and then tried to buy the second, but he had fixed up the first so well that the price went up of the second one because

Dean: you know, what could be right. Yeah.

Dan: So he Said, but he was talking to a broker, you know, and he said, well, I want to talk to the owner. And he said, okay, I'll give you his name and address. And it was Warren Buffett. So he called Warren Buffett and he said, I want to buy. I want to actually buy 10 more. He said, I want to buy 10 more of your buildings. But. And this is what I'm going to do with Manchester, New Hampshire, is going to become the center of regenerative medicine on the planet, and I need the 10 buildings, and I will buy them over the next 10 years completely. And. But I want them at last year's price. And Warren Buffett said, well, let me think about it. So he called him back and he said, yeah, you can have. You can do a deal. And Dean came and said, well, I don't know about that. Why not? He says, well, you're considered the smartest investor in the world, and you seem happy with the deal. So one of us is a sucker.

Dean: Ah, that's so funny.

Dan: Now, Warren Buffett said, we figured we just had a big ice cube on our hands that would melt if we didn't sell it to you. So it would have no value over the next 10 years if it wasn't in your hands. So we'll go ahead. And

Dean: that's interesting. I know a guy who owned in Chicago a bunch of those old brick warehouse. Like that was the style they would do, the brick kind of big buildings.

Dan: Well, they. And he had last forever. And they're beautiful. Yeah, you know, beautiful. They're beautiful buildings, you know, but he

Dean: had refrigerated warehouses that he has to keep them plugged in. If he unplugged it, the building would melt, literally. And that's what was so funny when you said that about Warren. This guy's buildings in Chicago, that's the. It's kind of a thing that he's got to keep. It costs him a lot to keep the buildings because they have to stay refrigerated.

Dan: So I want to tell you why I think this is a big deal and not just for the things.

Dean: Well, aside from being 50 when you're a hundred.

Dan: Well, that's a good deal, you know, That's a good deal. And I. I feel very confident, you know, hey, as confident as you can be with a guess and a bet, you know, and. But Boston seems uniquely. First of all, I think there's going to be centers all over the United States, but I think Boston's going to be the hotspot, and it's the sheer density of population. First of all, Boston's, you know, it's quite a small city. You know, Boston isn't a really big city, but they ensure what I would say density, top notch scientific labs and clinics. It's probably the most sense, the dense area of the world. You know, there's probably.

Dean: Yeah, well, isn't it. They're more between Silicon Valley and, and, and Cambridge. Isn't that where there's more patents per square mile than anywhere else in the world?

Dan: Yeah, yeah.

Dean: That's where all the patents come from.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. And the universities, you know, I mean, the most famous are, you know, Harvard and then you have, you know, you have MIT and you have Tufts and you have Boston College, but they go on and on and on. There's smaller colleges and universities, but they're all into science and medicine as the medicine is a big thing. And they talk to each other. So you know Keegan Caldwell who just joined coach, he's the IP lawyer who just joined the Free Zone, I think.

Dean: I know. Yep.

Dan: In the fall. So when we got to the hotel, we gave Keegan a call. He had asked us if we wanted to have lunch. And, you know, it was a short walk. It was about 20 minutes to his, to his building. And he took us out for lunch and he said that, you know, he had started off, I think in California, he had started off in San Francisco. Basis, you know, he says for what I want to do with my, my IP firm, he says Boston is much better, much better for us. Because he said everybody's within about five miles. He said everybody you'd want to talk to is within five miles. And then he says, and of course, we, we have the added benefit of zoom now.

Dean: And is he from there or did he move there for that purpose?

Dan: No, he's from Michigan. He's from Michigan originally.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. But he's, you know, he's had life out past that. He was in the Marine Corps and, you know, he was in Desert Storm and you know, he was, you know, he was a Marine and he was in, you know, he was in frontline battle and got out and you know, and then went and got himself a law degree and then went into intellectual property law. And, you know, that's where he is right now. But this. We met with Keegan before any of the five days. So that we got in on Tuesday afternoon and we just went. We spent a couple hours with him and then settled into the hotel where the. It was a Four Seasons, a new Four Seasons in Boston. So that's where. And then we spent our time until we went to Dean Cayman's. But he's got all that. That space there. So other companies can just rent space from him. You know, they can set up labs there and he's got first class manufacturing capability there. Anything that somebody wants to manufacture, he can set up the, you know, he can set up the factory for them, the assembly line. You know, none of this stuff matters unless you can scale it. You know, you got a vision, but you got to have capability and reach.

Dean: That's what I wonder. So he's really got this whole. He's building a capability farm there where you can come and be on the. In that world with all those capabilities available.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. So anyway, when we went there on Friday, Friday night, then we went to his home. He's got a, you know, a suitably. Suitably luxurious home outside of Manchester where, you know, we went over for dinner and drinks and anyway, the island house. No, it's not. I mean, I'm sure he's got more than one house.

Dean: He does have an island, a castle on an island.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure he does. I'm sure he does. And anyway, I talked to Peter. Peter on the way back. Well, the next morning, I talked to Peter. I said, you know, all the speakers that we saw on Wednesday, all day Thursday and Friday until noon, you know, probably 15, I said, they all have to go to Dean to get their idea out to the world.

Dean: Mm.

Dan: He's kind of like Henry Ford, you know, I mean, you know, relationship to the times. He's kind of. Yeah, he's figured out, you know, And I said, you know, I was. Saw about three scientists there. I said, you know, the person who's speaking could win the Nobel Prize for what he's doing. And. And with one exception, that was all he's. And anyway, he. And I said, you can win the Nobel Prize without having a paying customer, you know.

Dean: Right, yeah.

Dan: Great idea. Wonderful. You know, that has huge impact on other scientists, but it doesn't actually produce a practical solution that you can buy at Walgreens.

Dean: Right. That takes an entrepreneur.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Scale it and get it out there. You got a manufacturer. Get it out.

Dean: That's really what beam. That's really what Dean has done, is he's probably been the best entrepreneur of inventing, you know.

Dan: Yeah, yeah.

Dean: Actually driving things to market that change people's lives.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. Manufacturing is really the key skill. So anyway, and then we went back and we had, you know. Oh, I just want to tell you a neat little thing that happened on Saturday morning because our trip out to Dean was the end of the Boston trip. So when we got back that night, we slept in, got up the next morning, then we went straight to the airport and we flew to Morristown, New Jersey, 25 miles to the west of New York City. And you had your choice in flying. They had a, you know, they had a big private, you know, airline size jet for most of the people, or you could choose to be sets of four passengers each on three little jets. And the jet was. The jets are amazing. I don't know if you've read up on them or actually had the experience. They're called there. The airline is called Verijet V E R I J E T and it's an Uber. You know, it's kind of like, it works kind of like Uber. And, and, and the jet is made by a company called Cirrus.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And who have a prop, who've had a prop plane out there for about 10 years, but this is a little jet. And they've modified a cruise missile, the jet jet motor. That's, you know, one of the cruise missiles, Tomahawk, anything. So it's, it's quite a small jet and it sits right on the top, at top on at the back. So the, the plane is very, very stylish. I mean it's, yeah, you know, it's, it's a very stylish plane. So it can carry five. A pilot and five passengers, but we, we just did four. And so the pilot came out and he introduced us for 20 years he was a captain on West Southwest Southwest Airlines. And then before that he was a fighter pilot in the Air Force, I think. And so he's about 60 and 65 probably. And he says, okay. He says folks, he said, it's going to take us about an hour to get from here to Morristown. So it's about 300, you know, 300 miles. And, and he says, nuts, take off to, you know, take off to landing would be about 300. We have to go a little bit out of our way because there's storms in between. So we'll just do a circle around the storms. Now he says, I just want to tell you something different about this jet. And he says, see this lever here? He says, we're, if we're up there and we have any kind of mechanical problems, I just pull this lever and a cargo chute comes out and the parachute takes us. Right. He said, I have, I have ways of Guiding that the last few, you know, to the distance. So we don't land, you know, on top of somebody's house or anything else.

Dean: Right? Yeah.

Dan: So, yeah, so we do it. But he said, here's another thing. If I black out and you can't wake me up, just press this button and air traffic control take over the autopilot. Autopilot will land the plane and then we were off. And very fast takeoff. I don't know if I've been in plane where he got off the ground. So fast and very smooth flight. We flew it around, you know, 30,000ft and one of the other participants at the conference sat in the seat next to the pilot. So the plane will actually take five passengers. But there's a. But it only requires one pilot because of the parachute and the autopilot.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: So we put headphones on and they had a conversation all during the flight. And this passenger or the participant who was sitting just asked question after question after question. So it was really informative. But the neat thing about it is you buy 100 hours, basically. I mean you can buy the jet if you want, but you know, from the manufacturer. But let's say you buy 100 hours. It's a kind of like a 500 mile flight plane, you know. Yeah.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Work best if the trip is like 500 miles.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And so it'd be perfect for babsony from Toronto to Chicago.

Dean: That's what I was asking. Yeah. I wondered if you'd ever consider anything like that.

Dan: Yeah, well, we're, we're, we're in the process of considering the other, the other thing about it is they don't charge you for getting to you. They only charge you for your use of the plane. You know, they don't. If they have to fly a thousand miles to get to you, you don't pay for that. Okay. And the reason is they're just going to be really successful and there's going to be, you know, their goal is to have 200 planes in the mainland United States. So there's always a plane, you know, with within a short distance from you.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: They can land and take off at 5,400American airports.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: So, wow. Celebration probably has a, you know.

Dean: Well, if I say to you, Dan, there's 11. Yeah. There's 11 minutes from my house is Bartow Airport. That's where.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you just drive into the signature, whatever they call the, yeah. The service for private. Private. And somebody meets you, walks you out to the plane. You're in the Air. And at the other end, the same thing happens. And so anyway, but we were figuring out with four on the plane, the cost to us, you know, and when we go to Chicago, it's because there's workshops and there's team members from Toronto that go down, too. And we could do four for the same price as business class for the two of us.

Dean: And you could do it from the island. I mean, that's.

Dan: That remains to be seen. That remains to be seen, you know. You know, because they stopped. Well, here's. Here's the thing. They stopped it because they wouldn't, you know, the people down there live around there, you know, they. They stopped it because it was going to be jets, which everybody knew were really loud, by the way. Not everybody knows. As a matter of fact, those who know know that there are jets that are a lot quieter than the other thing. It would require extending the Runway further into the. Into harbor. Harbor. And they stopped it on that basis because it requires, you know, requires the. Requires the funding of the feds, the province and the city. Requires the permission of the province and the city. And they stopped it. But this plane will take off faster than any of the.

Dean: I was just gonna say, Dan, if they can land those porter planes on the island.

Dan: Oh, yeah.

Dean: Surely they can take the cirrus.

Dan: Yeah, they. This one would need probably about half the space taking off and half the. Half the length taking off and half. So anyway, that. The other thing is that he's joining strategic coach, so he's going to start the program. The owner.

Dean: Oh, wow, that's great.

Dan: So I talk, and what I'm going to do is I'm just going to create a special zoom workshop and have them talk through. I bet there's 500 of our entrepreneurs around the states that would love to have this.

Dean: I bet you're right. Absolutely. Yeah.

Dan: And he said, well, we'll work out a deal. And he said, we'll work out a deal. And I said, oh, no, no, no deal. They're your clients. They're your money.

Dean: Yeah, perfect.

Dan: Yeah. He says, wow. Wow. I mean, why? I said, well, let me ask you a question. Does that work for you? He says, yeah. I said, was there any.

Dean: Let me ask you a question. Does that work for you? Yeah.

Dan: Would there any. Would there be any reason in the future why you would want to stop the deal? He says, none that I can think of. It's a good deal.

Dean: Yeah, right. Exactly. That's great, Dan. Yeah, Love it.

Dan: So, yeah, so just relation, you know, to my goals, you Know, and why we went to Morristown, New Jersey, was Bob Harari, who I think you come across in, you know, the A360. Bob Herrera is a cell expert. You know, he's a surgeon and everything. And what they do is they obtain placentas after live birth. You know, when, you know, when a mother has had a birth, get the placenta and they have an agreement with it, you can't buy it. You can't buy and sell placentas, but you can have an agreement whereby they will get the placenta. And they. And what he says is you have to think of the placenta as crude oil. He says, think what crude oil is. And people say, well, yeah, yeah, you know, you use energy. And he said, well, energy is one of 10,000 uses that comes out of crude oil. He says, actually all petroleum products oil or all fossil fuel products, coal, oil and gas, natural gas. Their entire use only represents 20% on energy. The other 80% goes into other products. Okay. So what he does, he gets the placenta. And the whole point is that they will create medicines and they will create a placenta in storage for the family, for the mother and for the children, that anytime they need anything from the placenta of the child in cryogenics, so they get lifetime value of the placenta which otherwise would be thrown away, you know, in the hospital.

Dean: Yeah, that's a whole. You know, this is interesting. The nine. This is the nine year anniversary of the year I did the first breakthrough blueprint. And at the very first breakthrough blueprint, there was a lady who is called cord blood. Right. Cordial. Cord blood. And that's a thing where they get it. She was in the. She was kind of organizing the data of the industry because it was an emerging sort of industry that was getting, you know, venture funding. And she, I encouraged her to create the, you know, the association of these. Or organize these places because nobody was doing it yet. And she had the kind of first opportunity to. To do that. And now it's standard, standard practice for, For. Yeah, it's mainstream to collect and store. Because that business of that is setting up all these, you know, frozen storage facilities where you. They store it for 20 years and charge an annual fee for. For storage. And if any you or anyone in your immediate family has your DNA or whatever has a thing that would be useful. It's. It's there. Stem cells. Very. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. Well, Babs and I, for the two years before COVID had gone to Salt Lake City to, you know, to have stem. Stem, stem cell. And you Know, but the cord blood is, you know, it's great, you know, and it got out there. But the placenta is like, magnitude higher. Because what they do is they actually decel the. The placenta. So it goes right back to basically the original organizing cell that creates everything else. So the placenta is the manufacturing system in the body that produces a baby. You know, it's actually the. Yeah. And it's the first thing that grows. So a woman, when she gets pregnant, she actually grows the complete, complete placenta before the fetus starts to grow. Okay. And it's what protects. It actually protects the baby from anything that's run with the mother. You know, like, I mean, it's that. It's that powerful. So once they get back to the D celled stage, they can turn the organizing cells, the very first cells of the placenta into any other kind of cells in the body. So, you know, any other. Any. Any other organ, any other cells. So that's where. That's what they're doing. And they've got. We were in a room where they had. I would say they had 20 big cryogenic vats, and in each of them they had 5,000 the fundamental cells from placenta. So there's. There was 15,000, you know, placentas. And these were, you know, anytime the parents wanted them. And if you gave your placenta, and that's the only way that they could do it. No, there's no charge for this. There's no charge for this. So the parents get a lifetime supply of, you know, cells and everything else. And, you know, and, you know, and what's interesting, Dean, is we saw 30 of probably 2,000 advanced scientific breakthroughs. And they're all in stages, 1, 2, 3, FDA and other regulatory bodies. And the reason why they're all, you know, there, it's like, you know, it's like miles and miles and miles of farmland and everything. The plants are just poking up through the soil. And you said, well, what were they doing? Why are they so late? And it has to do with artificial intelligence. And he said it had to do with a breakthrough about three or four years ago.

Dan: This is Peter talking, where you could do 10,000 lab tests in the same time period as it would take manually to do one. Wow. So. And then you have virtual conferencing. And so what you realize, Covid, probably sped up this entire industry from one end of it to the other time, you know, five years maybe.

Dean: Wow, that's really something. I mean, I was just, you know, this technology, like, that's what's so great is the speed of stuff. Like I was talking with Luba yesterday last week about. She's got this new to trying this new AI service that writes content, blog posts, things like that. Then there's actually a documentary series that we watched just last night called the History of Words. And it goes all the way back to the very beginning where symbols became how the Alphabet was formed and how that evolution of the Alphabet to the Roman. To the Roman Alphabet, which is the one we use now, basically, and. And then on to Gutenberg. So it was two parts. It was a BBC series from 2020 and it was, it was really fascinating to see. The first part got you to the Alphabet, the second and the scribe, whole the scribe industry, they called it, where it was really, everything was handwritten, you know, and then to Gutenberg and how that changed everything, that Gutenberg. The goal was to duplicate what the scribes were doing. Like the features of what would get you a five star rating as a scribe would be perfectly formed letters, uniform ink, spacing, alignment, all the stuff that would visually make this work. So you could do that flawlessly with the things. And then they would still. Yeah, and then with movable type, and then they would still adorn the pages with artwork and illustrations and things in color and that for the first little while, some of the libraries that were soccer things had them cataloged as. Scribed as.

Dan: As.

Dean: What would they call them? Manuscripts, I guess. Right. Whatever.

Dan: They were illuminated, I think, when they added the picture.

Dean: Right.

Dan: They were called illuminated manuscripts. Yeah.

Dean: Yes. And so they didn't have them. They didn't even know that they were printed, you know, like from a printing press. And so that was an interesting development, you know, and why Arabic and other languages didn't take off with the movable type because of the.

Dan: They miss. They missed.

Dean: There's no structure. Yeah, they missed.

Dan: Yeah, they missed.

Dean: No structure.

Dan: Yeah. Well, it's one of the real prime prima. You know, it's one of the real problems that the Asian, the Southeast Asians, Japanese, Chinese especially, you know, I mean, they're. They're. Their biggest obstacle is their, you know, is their language. And I mean, that's, you know, to be really literate in the way that you and I were probably at 7 years old, probably takes. Probably takes decades for someone because once you get the 26 letters down and some basic grammar rules, you know, you're away to the races, you know, you're.

Dean: So what's been amazing. What's been amazing to see, Dan, is the you and I have seen, like, even in my lifetime, it was, you know, manual typewriters were the way of getting things. And then you had to create photocopies, which was just kind of becoming new in my lifetime. And that evolved to then the word process. I remember still, when I was learning to type, you still had to have liquid paper to correct your mistakes, you know. And I remember in design things, you probably in the ad days were very familiar and used to retroset being the way to lay modern peel and stick, you know.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Plate layout. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Well, you know, now here we are. That it's all. Now here we are. AI can create it all kind of.

Dan: It takes a while for people to kind of like, get it, you know, what, you know, that, you know, what's been created. I. I think it probably takes, you know, 30, 40 years before people really kind of get what this is all about, you know, And. And there's a story told about Gutenberg, and there's not that much known about him, so I suspect this is an invented story. But one of his first customers was a bishop, and so, you know, Germany. So Gutenberg was in Germany, and this man had great sermons and he had them written down. So he gave about, you know, he gave about 30 of his sermons to Gutenberg and says, why don't we turn this into, you know, a typed book? So he did. And Gutenberg ran off about a hundred of them. And he did it, you know, it was good. He wasn't going to get any money for this, but he would get a good center of influence, you know, because, you know, the bishop knew a lot of people and, you know, he was, you know, it was someone really to have out there, you know, being a good influence on you. So he sent, you know, he printed off the hundred, had them shipped over, and then he waited. It didn't take long to read the book. So he waited a few days, saying, waited a week and then four weeks, and it was now two months. And he hadn't heard a single thing back from the bishops, you know, where the bishop lived. And so he made polite inquiries, he made light inquiries. Finally got one of the bishop's assistants and he says, does the bishop not like. Not like the book? And he said, oh, no, he loves it. He thinks it's wonderful. But he hasn't proofread all of them yet.

Dean: Exactly. I remember hearing that. That's so great. He's not done proofreading them yet. Oh, my goodness.

Dan: So he hasn't gotten, you know, and he hasn't gotten it. And I think there's a lot of people with the Cloudlandia haven't gotten it yet. You know, in other words, say yeah, it was a great fill in while they couldn't travel, you know, and you know, and they can travel. Well, they're certainly not going to do it in Cloudlandia. They're going to go back and travel because they haven't gotten it yet. They haven't really got.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Yes. And I kept track of all the travel tax during all my time.

Dean: Right.

Dan: And first of all, the trip to Boston, leaving the house, getting the hotel, eight hours of travel tax. Okay.

Dean: Now what would that be theorists wise? If you, if, if. Is there a closer airport than the island to you?

Dan: No, no, no.

Dean: So the island would be the one. Let's say that it was the island. What would you estimate that whole experience would be?

Dan: Well, you know, if the flight time would be them. Well, let's say we left here, you

Dean: leave whenever you want.

Dan: Time of the morning, that would take us 15 minutes to get to Billy Bishop. Then you have to, you know, they can't drive into Billy Bishop. You have, they let you off and you have to go through a tunnel. But on the other side we just go to the personal travel. You know, we just. Yeah, let's say from the time we left the house until we met the person who's going to put us on the plane, I'd say maybe it's 40 minutes. Okay. And then we're in the plane and we're off and then it's flight time would be. Yeah, it'd be an hour. And the other end you get off and there you just, they just walk you through the terminal and your limo is right there. So let's say total three hours. Yeah, three out, three hours and three, three hours instead of eight hours. And we came back from New York on Monday and it was get up at the hotel, go to LaGuardia, wait around and eight hours, you know, back, so 16 right off. And then we had the three hours of, you know, we had the three hours of Vera Judge. So we were at 19 hours. And then the trip up to Dean Cayman's was an hour and a half by car, an hour and a half back, that was three hours. So we were at 22 hours. And then we had from Morristown, when we got to Morristown, we had to come into New York. That was an hour. That was, you know, 23 hours. I would say all told, about 24 hours of travel checks, you know. Yeah, but if I had done the whole thing on Zoom. That. Yeah, it would just be the time of the talks.

Dean: Right? Yes. And that's, I think, when you really get to the bottom of things, that the actual consumption of the information is much more efficient. But you probably. The bonding and the between. Experience, being at Peter's or being at beans factory.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. And I'm being fair to the experience, you know, I don't want to, you know, and I would say that my, because I spent an hour talking to the guy who owns this airline, you know, and, and he was really at the trot and you know, and Peter's invested in his company and Peter, you know, Peter is going to buy one of these planes and he's invested in. That would not have happened over Zoom, you know.

Dean: Right. That's what I mean, the bonding.

Dan: Yeah. And I would say probably I'll have maybe five participants who were there, who over the next six months will come in to coach and it wouldn't have happened if I hadn't been there, right? Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. And one of the scientists sat with me at dinner one night, he's a kidney specialist and we had a great time. And he says, I'm feeling kind of anxious. Really funny. This guy could be a stand up comedian, but he's kind of a jazz keyboard artist when he is in the lab. And he's good friends with Johnny Depp. So he and Johnny Depp just created a album together. Anyway, so he's that good, you know, I mean, he's that good as a keyboard but, you know, very passionate. But he's very funny. He's got just a superb sense of humor. But he, he, he's got benchmarks for evaluating 80 year olds and he's got eight benchmarks. And he says, I can't crack this book. He says, you know, he says just, he's just talking about, you know, scientific breakthroughs. He says, I've written three books, but here's. I have to talk about, you know what the benchmarks. And I, I said, oh, that's an easy book. He said, it is, Yeah. I said, I said, you don't talk about bad 80 year olds. You just find 80 year olds with great kidneys, 80 year olds with great liver, 80 year olds with great lungs, 80 year olds with great hearts. And I said, and just tell their stories because a lot of people imagine 80 as, you know, you're in the trash heap. And I said, just pick out 3080 year olds who, yeah, they're healthier than other people are when they're 50. I said. And he said, oh, my God, that's so easy. He says, I know them. He says, I know all the. And I said, yeah. I said, and you've got slave labor working for you. You got all these graduate students. Just have the graduate students screen them out and get them prepped up. And, you know. And, you know, some are really good. So you. Oh, thank you. And he took his iPhone out, and he wrote for about, you know, three minutes in his iPhone. He says, oh, God, that was worth it.

Dan: He says, this has been bugging me for six months. And I said. He says, you. You've obviously written books. I said, I've written books.

Dean: You've obviously written books. That is the best. I love that.

Dan: I have written books. Oh, that's good. Wow.

Dean: Oh, my goodness. That's funny. That is great. Yeah, it's like sitting.

Dan: That's.

Dean: Oh, man, I love that. So

Dan: I got another one. It was the pilot on the little jet. And have you actually done the parachute thing with the plane? You say, oh, yeah, we have to. You know, as part of our training, we have to go, wow. And. And I says, what's it feel like when, you know, when you actually land? You know? He says, you know, it's happened.

Dean: Yeah, exactly. That's funny. I've heard that, too. That it's like, bam. Like, it's pretty. It's better.

Dan: You know, I have to tell you, he says, you've had bigger, harder bumps just flying commercial airlines.

Dean: Oh, wow. Okay.

Dan: They come in and they hit the Runway really hard. So it won't be as hard as the worst one that you've had.

Dean: Okay, well, there you go.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: That new autopilot thing, though, is. That's the biggest.

Dan: Oh, yeah.

Dean: Wow. Life just keeps getting better, Dan, if

Dan: you want it to.

Dean: Well, there's the thing. What would be interested to see what your most. What you were most excited about that will be accessible to everybody in the next five years.

Dan: Yeah. Well, actually, there's two of them. One of them is called Inside Track, and they're not medicines or they're apps. One's called Inside Tracker, and the other one is called. I have to get the name. But Inside Tracker, what they do, they get all your medical reports, ever anything you have available, and they consolidate them, and then they do blood tests, and they get. They get your DNA, so you'll get it, you know, and then you should, you know, get a gene scan, you know, which are down to about $300 now. Which scan? Well, it's your genetic map, which you

Dean: can now Oh, a gene scan. Scan.

Dan: Gene scan. Yeah, yeah. And I've had it done about two or three times. And they're consistent. You know, they don't. Your genes don't really change. And, and what they do is they've got an algorithm and they're pulling in two things. They're pulling in the information for about 3 million people around the planet. Okay. And so they're creating, you know, kind of sort of constant measures, and then they've got all of your information and they've got your unique information, and they put it all into a platform that you have on your app and it gives you. Gives you a score where you are right now, and then some changes you might like to make with diet, sleep, exercise, nothing, you know, might be supplements, you might need supplements and everything else. And then as you take them, it adjusts your score every day. Yeah, I mean, you plug in what you've done and it gives you a score every day. And I think, you know, my whole thing that Pearson's law, which comes from Carl Pearson, K A R L, British statistician, early 1900s, that. That which is measured improves and that which is reported improves exponentially. So I think the first step is, I mean, I'm pretty good score keeping. I've got my own things, but I'd like to get one that pulls everything together. And every time you do a new test, it feeds into the app, you know, so. And every time you test for this, it goes into the app. Every time you change your diet or anything else, it feeds in. And then every six months, you get, you, you get a blood test, they come to you, they come to your house, take the blood test and feed it in. And I'm just going to push this for all the people in the program. You know, this would be great. And I think I'll get the owner of it into the program. The owner of the program will be in, you know, and to coach. And then the other thing there, there's one, another one which goes right into your office. It's a service that goes right into your office and everybody can test and it tells you what your actual physical age is. You know, your. You have your chronological age, but this tests your physi.

Dan: You may be. I'm 77, but my physical age is 64. Because I, you know, I do a lot of great work on my body. And so you have those two. You have the inside tracker. And then you have. Have to get the name of that other, other thing. I don't have it at the top of my mind right now. And that just goes in. So when we get people to do their lifetime extender, they can also just, you know, take five minutes and get what their actual physical age is.

Dean: Wow. And you can figure out. So it's a. Calculate your, your actual age.

Dan: No, it tells you. It'll tell you, you know, it'll test. It'll test you and says you're 77. And then I, I'm not sure how they do it, but that would be a no brainer. That'd be a no brainer.

Dean: What are they probing or touching or what data are they basing that on?

Dan: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Mr. Jackson, but my security clearance does not go that high.

Dean: Okay. Okay. All right.

Dan: I have no idea.

Dean: No, I mean, is it, are you, are you entering anything? Are you sticking your finger in something? Are you having blood drawn?

Dan: Are you're stepping on something? Yeah, I suspect it works. Like, it works.

Dean: I gotcha.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Okay.

Dan: Yeah, I mean, you can kind of get your, you know, you can get your. There's all sorts of information you can get on your scale right now.

Dean: Yeah, right.

Dan: All sorts of stuff. And I think it's a further extension than that I remember at the very first. But I think that get a way of measuring. You don't know what areas to improve in right off the bat.

Dean: Right. Which ones are improvable. Right. Yeah, you wonder, like, I always see that. I've often felt that. Like, I often notice when you get blood work done or you go through a panel and that, you know, prints out all the ranges and your doctor goes through it and it's like, oh, your kidney levels are here. That's good. Blah, blah, blah, like looking, they're scanning through, but none of those numbers make any sense. Even show you, like, what the. I would love to almost have a life score where you could see how.

Dan: I think you just hit the name of that second test. I think it's something like life score.

Dean: Okay, well, that'd be great.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. But, but the big thing is, and Mike Koenix and I had a podcast and I said, you know, what I've discovered about myself, and I suspect it's true for you, Mike, and I know it's true for Dean Jackson. I said, when I, when I'm talking to someone, I actually don't want to know what they know.

Dean: Right.

Dan: I want to know why I should know them.

Dean: Oh, yeah. Yes. So good.

Dan: Yeah. And, you know, and so, you know, I've had lots and lots of tests where they give Me back a nine page blood reports, you know, everything on nine pages. And, you know, they start going line by line. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You ain't gonna go through all nine pages with me, are you? He said, right, that's what I meant about. I want to explain. No, no, no, no, no. I said, no, no, no. Oh, God. Glad I caught you early on this.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Look, here's what I want. You're the expert on this. Are you not the expert on this? He said, yeah, okay, tell me five things that are really great. Just tell me right off the bat, five things that you say. You know, Dan, you're really doing great with that because that makes me feel really good and that. That motivates me to keep listening to you.

Dean: You've got the kidney levels of a preteen Swedish boy. You want to hear?

Dan: And I said, now tell me five things that deserve improvement.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: Need improvement. Five. Good. Yeah, well, I'm okay with that because I already knew I'm winning on five counts. And now if I turn my attention to five other things and tell me the specific things I need to do over the next 90 days.

Dean: Okay, what kind of improvement I'm looking for. Yeah, yeah.

Dan: It's an experience transformer. You know, just a little experience transformer. And they said, yeah, but you, You. I have to tell you. I have to tell you, you give me those five things, I'm the best. I'm the best patient you've ever had in your life.

Dean: Right?

Dan: I said, but I have to tell you, if you get onto page two, you'll never see me again.

Dean: Right, Exactly. And leave me hanging. Well, you know, you're. You're at 14 microns there, and the range says it should be, you know, 15 to 20.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: And you're at 14. I'm gonna let it slide right now, but we keep an eye on that one.

Dan: I. I do what do not want to know what you know.

Dean: Right. That's brilliant. I mean. Yeah. Yeah, that's it.

Dan: Yeah. But how many people sell what they do? I'm not just talking about doctors or medical people. Insurance agents, everything they want to tell the person everything that they know about being an insurance agent. And it's the last thing in the world that homeowner or the potential homeowner wants to know. They just want to know why they should know them, you know?

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: What can you do for me? What can you do for me? Really fast, easy, not too expensive. That saves me an enormous amount of time. That's what I'd really like to know, Simplify.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: Shortcut.

Dean: Yes. I love it.

Dan: So I was sure I was the featured speaker at this one hour event, Dean. But why did you get out of that just from, I mean, that's.

Dean: I, I always love hearing that. I love hearing all your experiences. I love hearing that. I think, you know, I had as much fun talking about the travel tax and the, you know, thinking about that and weighing out the benefits of, you know, if you take the bright side of that is the opportunity that you got to meet and spend an hour with the guy that owns the jet company and you've got to go to Dean Kamen's house and you've got to bond with the guy that does this tracker test and all these things that would not happen by zoom. You're getting, you know, it's the qualitative things. There's definitely a qualitative difference live.

Dan: And I have to tell you, I saw Peter at his absolute best over a five year period. And you know, I mean, Peter's got a, you know, he's got a great mind for putting a lot of disparate facts together, but the sheer passion that came out in this one area of regenerative medicine is his, his sweet spot. And, you know, walking on the moon and, you know, all that other stuff.

Dean: Right.

Dan: He knows about it. He knows the people who are passionate about it and doing it. But this is the area I could just see. I said he knows the other stuff, but he loves this stuff.

Dean: Yeah, that's so great. Now, was he even thinking this way before you introduced the lifetime extender kind of thing to him? Oh, yeah.

Dan: No, I mean, yeah, he was the immediate connectors. He, he, he had never met anyone until he met me who actually had a goal that was, you know, as far beyond normal as, you know, mine

Dean: is so that immortality. Right.

Dan: He had never actually been able to talk about this with anyone until he met me. And I've been doing that. Right. I've had this lawn thing a lot longer than he has where I have a specific number. It's 34 years now that I've been doing it. And the. But you can really, really tell what really turns people on, you know, and, and he was just in his glory. But where it came from. We did our first in 2013. We did our first a 363 days.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And longevity was an hour of one of the three days. Now it's taken up one full day and it's starting to. Yeah, it's starting to take up time and the other ones. And I said, all you have to do is look out how much time each one of the topics. I said 3D printing. I said, I don't even need the hour on 3D printing that we had in the first hour. I said, I got 3D printing. I'm sure it's going to be available. I have no interest in whatsoever, you know, you know, meeting my lifetime extender goal. I got all the time in the world for that.

Dean: Right, exactly.

Dan: And 8 billion other human beings do too. You know, it's the one. Yeah, right. It's the one breakthrough that everybody's interested in or will be.

Dean: Yeah, for sure.

Dan: Yeah. Alrighty.

Dean: I love it. All right, Dan, well, same, same time

Dan: next week we're going to have another two week break because this is our final cottage weekend.

Dean: Oh, you're going up to the cottage. Okay, so it'll be. Yeah, you're away for the next two weeks or you'll be back. No, I'll be back in two weeks. Two weeks from today. Okay, perfect.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Okay, very good.

Dan: Thanks, Dean.

Dean: Okay, bye, Dan.