Virtual Reality in The Future

Dean: Welcome to Cloudlandia. Well, well, Wowlandia.

Dan: Advice from the past.

Dean: But how are you, sir?

Dan: But always in my mind.

Dean: Comforting.

Dan: Yeah. Yes, comfort. Comforting. You know, I have a question to ask you.

Dean: Okay.

Dan: The music that starts the podcast, it has a Phil Spector quality to it. Was there any connection?

Dean: I wonder if there was. It's Rick Astley.

Dan: No, just the lead in. Just the lead in the orchestration. And had sort of that wreck. You know, he used that group, the Wrecking Crew.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Spector did. In Hollywood and you know, long story not to get into here, but there's a certain. I. I listened to about five hours of Phil Spector music Pandora. And there's very definitely. It's either directly Phil Spector. Certainly someone who had been kind of influenced by Phil Spector.

Dean: Well, that was his. He was known for what they called the wall of sound. That was big thing. And that's really filled it all in. Yeah. That's interesting. Never heard like. I never heard a collection of his influence. Yeah.

Dan: Well, he was a big deal. The Beatles used him. I mean.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Actually used him on some of the songs. And you know, I mean he was the. You know, he was a frustrating presence in the rock and roll universe in the 60s because nobody knew quite how he did it. You know. Okay. People tried to get this sound and they couldn't get the sound. Like it was full orchestras sound. And there's actually a Great documentary on YouTube if you go there. They'll actually show the session at which they created Be My Baby, which, you know, which is probably the most famous. Purely Phil Spector with. With the Ronettes.

Dean: Yeah. I love it.

Dan: Well, Glenn Campbell. Well, here's a historical thing. Glenn Campbell was a studio guitarist for Phil Spector as part of the Wrecking Crew. And. And Sonny and Sher were chorus singers. Chorus singers for his early work.

Dean: Isn't that funny when you go way back to see where people were influenced or where they began.

Dan: Like share was 18. Share. Share was like 18 years old.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: She was brought in as a backup singer to the Ronnettes.

Dean: Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: And. And the. Ronnie Specter just died about two weeks ago.

Dean: Oh, I didn't know that.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Wow. Well, where do we even start then? There's. So the world's all completely different places since we last spoke.

Dan: Yeah. Well, I'm trying to think here.

Dean: Let's. You went back to.

Dan: Yeah, well, some just saying the things relate to things that relate to mainland. We're just off to our. How was your travel first two? It was good. Except for the airplanes.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: Except every part of the travel experience was good. Except the experience that involved airplanes.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And not because they're doing anything especially bad. It's just that I have a sudden awareness that they were always doing things bad. Yeah. Which I hadn't quite realized until I got, until I got back. You know, they waste a lot of, they waste a lot of time and energy and, you know, and, and it's not that I can do it better, faster, any other, any other way right at the moment, but it does lead me to believe that all airplane travel in my future really has to have a special payoff for me to do it.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. So that would, that would be a first. That would be a first chip or card that I would put on the playing table for this particular podcast. I'm showing you an experience and I'm raising you.

Dean: Yeah. Well, I've just passed the, this last week here, the two year mark now from my last plane journey, which was in Scottsdale for the Free Zone Summit. That was the last time I was on a plane. And yeah, two years, that's, you know, it's gone quickly.

Dan: You realize it goes back to early childhood, probably goes to back to Way Chirly highway because your father was in the Air Force and I have a feeling that you moved around a bit.

Dean: Probably never been doing the, yeah, we were doing, I was just doing the calculations. Like there's never been a two year period in my entire life where I've been grounded, you know, that's, you know, for all the whole while. I mean, my, like you said, my dad was in the Air Force. We moved around. He was a pilot, had a, you know, flew small planes, so we would fly around. When I was very young then even all through everything I can remember, we were always coming to Florida because my dad's family was here. Then when I was playing tennis, as I got more and more advanced, I was coming down here for training and tournaments and playing all the time and then split my time for many years from 1999, you know, on spending seven months in Florida, five months in Toronto. And so these two years have been, you know, two years that I haven't been in Canada. Is that amazing? And I haven't seen or laid eyes on Dan Sullivan in two years as well.

Dan: Yeah, well, I won't disappoint you. I won't disappoint you when you see me.

Dean: No, of course not. So when this trip you were.

Dan: I haven't just, I just haven't let myself go to the, you know, I just haven't given myself over to the.

Dean: Yeah. I mean, I talk to you every week. I see.

Dan: But we've communicated absolutely more fully during this period of time.

Dean: I agree.

Dan: And so that's what's important. Yeah. In my world, that's what's important, is the communication. That's.

Dean: That's exactly right.

Dan: I mean, I'm pretty cool about physical, you know, physical presence and physical vacation. I'm not opposed to it, but.

Dean: Right.

Dan: I don't seem to have a thought after two years of mostly doing just virtual communication.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: That it would have been any better if it had been in present.

Dean: Right. I agree. I just did my. I had my go agent academy yesterday, which you've. You've come to a couple of them.

Dan: Yeah, I come as a speaker.

Dean: That's right. And then. So yesterday, Saturday, Friday, we had our. Our day. So that was all virtual and it was wonderful. We did the breakout sessions and perfect format. Everybody got a lot out of it. And it was effortless, you know, you don't know. No organizing the hotel. The impact of it was so much less. So things are better like that. So your trip, this trip you were in. Yeah, we started out in California.

Dan: We went San Diego, Carlsbad, actually, we were a little bit north of San Diego. We went to a very interesting doctor referred to us by Richard Rossi, who has a. What I consider to be. I mean, we'll know in about three months because we're going back and get tested. But what he says it can do does Nobel Prize territory. And he's linking up with someone who's become famous over the last couple years. And the topic I'm referring to here is age reversal.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And. And so he's teamed up with David Sinclair, who you may know through. He's on YouTube a lot. And he wrote a book, Lifespan, and, you know, has in, through the means of his clinics at Harvard, has made fundamental breakthroughs in taking mice and aging them on one track and then reversing their aging on another track, you know, through the use of, you know, various various, you know, things that are inside of us, stem cell type things and some outside things. And so the two of them have teamed up now to do a whole series of tests proving you can turn human age reversal into a predictable pattern such that every time there was a procedure within the next two or three months, there would be a reversal of three. Three years.

Dean: Wow.

Dan: On average, every reverse of three years. So. So Abs and I went through. Delightful man. Just absolutely delightful man. Who's the head doctor he's got a great team and they simply do a

Dean: treatment or were you exploring?

Dan: I do a treatment. You did it combine the lasers that he has created and he's, he's like 50 year old. Since he was 10 years old. He's in his 60s. So he's been experimenting with the impact of laser frequencies, bringing to life certain things that are dormant in our bloodstream. And once you bring them to life, they go to work repairing everything in your body. So he reinserts the laserized blood, part of the blood, not all the blood. He takes the plasma out and simply gives you the very thin, you know, sort of the thin liquid, and it goes back in and then it goes to everywhere in your body where cells have gone to sleep or cells have, you know, are just not doing their job and it wakes him up and puts them back to work.

Dean: So.

Dan: But one of his, one of his interesting tests is Mike Tyson. So Mike Tyson's 53 years old, and over the last 15 years he got terribly out of shape. He was, I think, 100 pounds overweight. And part of the reason why he had stopped fighting was he had a permanently painful toe. One of it, I'm not sure. Right or left toe? Right. And so to kind of convince him of something, this Dr. Todd, he just goes by his first name, Dr. Todd, and had simply done the procedure with the laser treatment bud. And within a matter of a day, all the pain was gone and it never came back, really. So that motivated. And Mike Tyson's back in fighting shape now and he's back into the official stream. And he's 53 years old. And the George Foreman who is friendly with Mike Tyson said that he hasn't seen him better. So it'll be interesting. That's kind of one of those high credibility.

Dean: Yeah, right.

Dan: You know, if he comes back, wins the world heavyweight championship. Wait a minute before 50, 50, 55, and he's. There's no noticeable difference between him and his best 30 years ago and where he is right now. Then you've got, you've got people's attention.

Dean: Well, there was nothing like Mike tyson in the 80s, though. I mean, those one punch things, I mean, it was just something nobody.

Dan: He's got a great line. I'm not sure I'm quoting him. And he says, everybody has a plan until I punch them in the face.

Dean: That's exactly.

Dan: Well, everybody, everybody has a plan until I put. Until I punch them in the face.

Dean: That's right. Yeah, that's what he was saying. Everybody's got a Blueprint. Everybody's got the.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. So anyway, that was. So that was a very worthwhile beginning of an experiment, you know, so we. It'll be three months. We'll go back at the end of April to test and, you know, and we'll have some proof. We'll have some proof by then. And. Yeah. And then spent some really good time with Paul Abel from our network. He lives in Los. And in San Diego and then with Mike and Vivian. Yeah. So we had a really nice meal at their house and flew off then to Tucson and had Shannon Waller and her husband come and join us.

Dean: And.

Dan: Yeah, Kim White joined us as guests and did a week there. Very cold.

Dean: Jeez.

Dan: Boy, it was cold in. It was like in.

Dean: Oh, Tucson.

Dan: No, in. Under Tucson. I mean, it got down to. Into the 20s at night. Night, so. Oh, my Fahrenheit there. And that gets, you know, get up. Get up to 50, 55 during the day. But then we were up to Scottsdale and Scottsdale was nice and warm and, you know, we had a great. Had a great genius network visit, personal visit with Joe and with Sherry and learned about Joe's new town that he. Yeah, but did you go later? No, we did not. Only through Joe's imagination. We were only able to travel there. He did videos and. But is now a mayor. Former ghost town.

Dean: Yes. And yeah, I think that's something. You know, those guys that. But that's for everybody listening. This Joe Polish and a little group of friends bought a small town in Arizona out in the middle of nowhere.

Dan: Basically mining town, former gold mining town, Cleaner Arizona. And it has the right kind of name to come to life as something new. You know, I. Cleater. I mean, Cleater, that's just a really good name there. Nothing pretentious about Cleater. Nothing pretentious about Cleaner. You know, it's not like it's Blossomville or something like that, you know, it's not.

Dean: And then they've got the bar club too.

Dan: They do have the bar and yacht club. Yeah.

Dean: Cleaner Bar yacht club with 6,000 something members. That's beautiful. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. And now what I recommended to them because Jason Campbell, who is, you know, he's member. He's the sheriff. And I said immediately that his goal should be to create the single biggest sheriff's department in the entire world. And deputy. You could become a deputy.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: This would be an NFT. An NFT. $2,000 for 2,000 times 20,000. That would give them plenty of operating capital to go on forward. And my Suggestion was that every holder of a deputy's credentials in Cleater has to make the trip at least once every three years. You have to actually go. Probably it would take place in the Cleater Yacht. The Bar and Yacht Club.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: You'd have to go back there and then you get three more years for another $2,000 to.

Dean: I love that to do.

Dan: Yeah, I love it. I think if Joe had not taken his sabbatical before doing this, I think it would get lost in a lot of other things that Joe's doing. But I sense a complete freshness to his approach to things right now that gives Kleider a real chance to benefit from Joe's creativity.

Dean: Yeah, I mean, that's. That'll be great. Yeah, that's. I can't wait to watch it all unfold. It's fun to see.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And then we came back here and there's a war. Mainland war.

Dean: That is something, too. Yeah.

Dan: This is not quite going. It's not quite going the way that I think the Russians planned. I'm just following the news feeds on the Internet and they. I don't. I don't know what they were thinking. You know, I think it's easy to start a war. It's very hard to unstart a war once you've started it.

Dean: Yes. Yeah. Like this is forever changed right now. You know, you look at that. I don't even know what to say because you can't even imagine what it's like to be in Ukraine right now, and all of a sudden there's. They're bombing and there's. You know, I always think, like, Ukraine, for everything I've seen in it. Of it. It's not unlike Ontario in a lot of ways, you know, in this. The geography and the climate and rolling hills and that kind of things. But imagine you're just there in. Bombs start coming, you know, can't even imagine.

Dan: Yeah. And even though the. You know, the. In just in terms of sheer number of troops, the Russians have massive. 150,000. I think they was the number that they started with at the border, 150,000. But the Ukrainians have been waiting for this. They've been preparing for this for eight years at least, because the Russians took over. Took over one section of.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Ukraine eight years ago. So the. The Ukrainian military in that has been preparing for this, and they do know every square inch of their own territory, which, yeah, is an advantage. The other thing where they're discovering is that these aren't crack troops, that the Russians sent, these are conscripts and they have very, you know, it's very hard to get a handle on, you know, casualty rates and death rates because they tend to get exaggerated for propaganda purposes and both sides tend to do it. But my sense is that they really, they've suffered probably pretty severe casualties. The Russians have.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And part, part of the reason is that the weapons that the Ukrainians are using are top notch, state of the art British and US anti tank guns. Because the tanks are the real issue. The tanks. And apparently I was watching a military expert, he said, these new weapons that we have, he says it's one of our weapons against one of our tanks. And afterwards we still have our one weapon weapon, but they don't have their tank. He says once we cite them and push the button, the tank is dead. And he says they've got 2,000 of them, 2,000 of these weapons. And the other thing is that apparently the Russians have no. The Russians have no night fighting. They have night fighting equipment. They have no, okay, the. No visors. Because it isn't just having the piece of equipment, you know, see in the dark equipment, a kind of a communications network where everybody has the visors. You know, they can see in the night, but there's just a complete communication with everybody, including. They have drones that they send up little drones, you know, foot long drones. They're not, but they're little. And at nighttime they have infrared sensors. They have infrared sensors and they can sense a tank a mile off and they can fire the tank weapon. And it happens in the night and all of a sudden, you know, the tank just goes up more.

Dean: More tanks gone. Right. That's something. Yeah, that whole.

Dan: So they, so the big, the big thing. And it's not a small country. I mean, the population of Ukraine, 45, I heard.

Dean: Okay, okay.

Dan: Is it 54? Did you look it up? It was just the number. But that's bigger than Canada. You know, it's 7 million more than Canada and the territory is twice the size of Texas. That's the size of Texas. So it's a big area. It's a big area and it's mostly agricultural. It's not a big urbanized country. And so anyway. But my sense is that if it's revealed that all the threat of Russian military power proved false, that they're not really very good. They've been away from it, you know, for a long time. You know, a long time for fighting this kind of war. The Russians haven't been doing this kind of stuff for 4050 years. And, you know, I just don't think they. They really have the people, but that can pull this off. And, but it sort of suggests that if they're not militarily as strong as they've claimed to be or everybody's taught them to be, all sorts of other people get ideas about what you can get away with by just telling the Russians to go screw it.

Dean: Well, I don't know. You know, it's. It's an interesting dynamic. If you think about the Russians. They're not in their country. They're invading something under even. They must realize that Putin is a little bit off and that there's not any real. There's a whole different vibe than being in Ukraine and fighting off aggressors to save your country. That level of, like, investment emotionally in it has got to favor Ukraine on that level. That was like the. Yeah, you just don't know. They're not going to have the. They're not going to have the heart for it. The Russians. Right.

Dan: The other, the other thing. We're in the 21st. We're in the 21st century. The cloud. When the Soviet Union. Union collapsed in 1991, it was just at the very beginning of the Internet, you know, things.

Dean: Tear down this wall.

Dan: Yeah, tear down this wall. And whereas the Russians have adopted the Internet for hacking purposes. You know, they turned it into a hacking, you know, hacking weapon and, you know, a means of thievery. I don't think they applied that to their armed forces. I don't think they took the knowledge and applied it to their arm for. To their army, their navy. And meanwhile, the other, certainly the British, the Americans, the Israelis, the Japanese, they've all applied it to all their military operations, their land soldiers, their air force, their navy, special units, like, you know, the special forces units, and they're using this type of technology to fight their battles. You know, they're there. And. But the other thing is, even beyond that, it's this system of swift, which I'd never really come across before. Did you read about that? Did you read about swift?

Dean: No.

Dan: It's an acronym, swift. It's essentially the social network that holds together the international banking system. Okay, okay, okay. So there's transactions that happen, the banking system. And that's the, you know, that's kind of like the stuff of the communication. But then their SWIFT provides the bankers talking back and forth to bankers and making sure, you know, that if the money is the content, they're kind of telling the context of the money. The story of the Money, why the, you know, and what this represents and what the legal backing is for the money and everything else. And all that is communicated by Swift. Okay. And it's about 11,000 major banking organizations. Not banks, but banking organizations.

Dean: Right. I've heard the word.

Dan: I heard the word.

Dean: Yeah,

Dan: yeah. And if your bank isn't on it, you're writing letters and putting stamps on them, sending them by the mail for every transaction. And so I think starting last night, the us, the UK and the EU have decided that they're going to start pinpointing certain banks in Russia and they're out of the system. They're out of the system and probably won't be allowed to come back into the system. And what my sense is that they've got probably a four stage. These are the ones who that are, we know, are doing, you know, dodgy things. Okay. And they're connected to the high leadership and they in the Russian hierarchy. Putin at the top and any bank connected to Putin, now they can't be in the system. And then his next 20 cronies, no, they can't be in the banking system at all. And then all the producers of Russian vodka, all the manufacturers, the banks that they deal with in Russia, no, they can't be in the system. And they just, every day, they just say, well, okay, next level, you're not in this. After a certain one, your country is cut off from the international sets up a.

Dean: You know, are we going to have alternate systems for stuff like that? Reminds me of what's happening since we last talked. You probably. Neil Young was a, you know, objector to Joe Rogan spreading what he decided was misinformation and told Spotify there's only room for one of us. You can have me or you can have Joe Rogan. And Spotify said, I turned out.

Dan: That turned out to be an easy decision for Spotify.

Dean: Exactly. But without, I mean, it's just kind of. It's funny that where we've come to now is that we only want to hear voices.

Dan: That now here's where our ears were, you know, here's where our cloudland conversation. Yeah. Up until now, we've been talking about mainland stuff. Stuff. But now, and this was all news to me and, you know, my eyes perked up my ears. Yeah. I said, okay, now we're into the new world. We're really into a new world when this becomes now the weapon for hopefully preventing a war, mainland war. The other thing is stopping the mainland war. And number three, punishing the aggressors so badly that, you know, you may take them out of financial existence. Yeah. Like it is interesting apparently, but the big thing as the clincher is that 90% of all transactions worldwide, this is transactions period. Anybody exchanging anything for anything, you know, using currency, 90% of it is in US dollars, right?

Dean: Is that right, Dan?

Dan: All commerce, all commercial transactions in the world every day, 90% is determined in US dollar payments.

Dean: Wow, that's something.

Dan: It's five. Five. I checked with David Serber who's my, my personal go into financial things and he said that $5.4 trillion a day, that's the amount of finance. Total amount of financial transactions per day is $5.4 trillion. And 90% of that is in US dollar currency.

Dean: Amazing. That's amazing.

Dan: So what I'm saying is that there is a. By the same token, the daily bitcoin transactions per day right now are $10 billion a day. 10 billion.

Dean: Well, that's what we're spouting numbers. I just read that the year end, the annual Metaverse real estate sales last year were $500 million of virtual real estate was sold in the Metaverse last year. And they're marking that as the, the, you know, let's put it on the board now. And of course that number is only going to go up, up as people start to realize the value of geographic location stuff and that I really, I start to see that now when I put it in perspective of, you know, what Fortnite was able to do. There's going to be, I guess the high traffic areas on the Internet that you're gonna, that are gonna want to go to and it's pretty. An interesting, it's really interesting world. You know, that's the, the guy exp. Real estate has become kind of this Cloudlandia.

Dan: Yeah, but he's selling real estate. But he was selling real estate.

Dean: Yes, real estate, exactly.

Dan: But I was selling record.

Dean: They've really invested in the Metaverse for their, their platform, for all of their agents. They have a training center and their campus where everything happens there on the, in the Metaverse that way. But they just bought Success magazine, which is interesting the way the, the different things that these, that he, the moves that he's making.

Dan: Yeah, it's. Personally, I'm just talking as Dan Sullivan, full bodied human. It's hard for me to understand why there's any enjoyment in this, you know, because it seems to me it's entirely visual. It's entirely visual. It's that there, there's no other sensory, you know, sensory aspect to this, you can't. I mean, when you're walking around in it, you don't feel like you're walking around with it. I mean, your feet aren't on the ground. You don't feel the ground now. So I'm wondering what it is about the nervous system of people who think that this is the next form of human existence, that you're going to be in the metaverse. I'm not really. No. I'm just trying to understand because I can't comprehend why I would for a minute put goggles on my face to be someplace and you know it just because I tried it. I went through a whole day of it.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: At a 360 and I was bored silly within about 15 minutes. And I was out of. Out of there. So I'm trying to comprehend why this is an attractive possibility.

Dean: Yeah, I think.

Dan: I'm not saying it isn't. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying I'm not comprehending.

Dean: Yeah, I think we're going to land. Dan is. I don't think that the headsets are going to be the. The thing. I think we're going to end up with bigger, super high resolution monitors. Like, imagine where you sit to look at your zoom things there. But imagine behind that is like a big vanity mirror, like the makeup, you know, at a theater kind of thing, with the lights around it and things, but that pane of glass there as a window into what's on the other side. So it's like you're sitting in an environment looking through that glass that I believe that's where we're gonna head up, that you and I would be able to recreate Table 10 in an immersive kind of way. More than like, zoom is pretty close to that right now. But imagine there are other levels of that. Right. Like a richer, deeper fidelity to it. And I think that we got a glimpse of it when Clubhouse came out, because Clubhouse really solved the audio intimacy environment. Like, you did feel like it was a really good audio environment. Right. Like you would hear people really like you were there with them. I think it was really well done. Better than telephone or a two dimensional kind of thing. There was a dimensionality to. To the thing. And I think that if you imagine with that window, kind of window to the world technology, that imagine if you've got, like, box seats to the Met or the wherever, whatever would be the best seat in the house for certain environments. And you can be there to watch a live. A truly live performance. But instead of you having the only chance to sit in that seat. There could be millions of people that are sitting in that exact seat. Everybody's got a front row ticket to a really intimate concert like that, you know, and that was where you've seen that happening already in Clubhouse or in Fortnite and these gaming systems. So I think that's really the two dimensional. I'm like you. I don't think Helmet is going to be the ultimate winner. I'd rather see in my Zoom room. I'd rather see that wall be a complete. Like a hollow deck. You know, like you see what Tony Robbins.

Dean: Some of the people are doing, the big events, big events, big LED walls that are complete definition. Now you can also. Where there's also technology now to do a 3D scan of your. You. Your digital image. Not a cartoonish one, but your real holographic image. And I think that technology is going to come. So imagine almost like sitting across or in a room where people are sitting at a boardroom thing and you feel like you're really in the boardroom with them. That I think that's where it could.

Dan: Can I ask you what you think the motivation would be on the part of people that would be more attractive than being where they actually were? You know, and I'm just striking because I'm sitting in my basement, which I really like.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: And you're sitting. You say you're. That you really like having a reproduction of this somewhere else. You know, in other words, they technologically process my room and someplace else and they allow me to have that. But yeah, one is, I don't know whether that would be of any interest to me or not. You know, maybe I just like being in the other place for, you know, because what I notice when I get to any place, I kind of normalize that place in about two or three days of walking around. And I. And I found the new neat things about the new place I have, and I kind of settle in the new place and. Yeah. So, you know, it's because of what I've done to the space that I like it, not because of what it's done to me.

Dean: Right.

Dan: It's. Yeah. So I don't know. I do know that if there's a great genius of the metaverse, it's not going to be the person who named his company Meta.

Dean: You don't think we're getting there, right?

Dan: No, I think he's going to be in some very real mainland courtrooms. I think he's going to spend a lot of Time in his courtroom. You know, I think he's had a good play. Like he said, like, yeah, now, 20 year play. A 20 year play and. But he's kind of like Bill Gates with Windows. You know, he was onto a good thing. He had great timing, he had great insight. But I don't think he's got much insight for anything else. I mean, I think he's less impressive now than he was probably when he was 19 or 20. He's had his one big thing and something else is going to. And probably the person who's going to invent it is probably 14 right now.

Dean: Right. That's what I think is the gap right now. The thing that all the development in the metaverse has been happening below our surface. Right. Like it's this world is there because the gaming world, television and movies, in terms of the economy of it and hours spent on it. I mean, it's immersive. You know, that whole generation who are digital native who've never known anything but this, they're going to naturally gravitate to an evolution of where are we going to go? Rather than go and, you know, play in the playground that we're going to, you know, move over to being at the nightclubs and in. You can imagine there being a. Almost like a Las Vegas Strip type of place destination on the Internet with entertainment choices of all of the.

Dan: Yeah, I mean, I was reading. I was reading a series of international thriller novels and it was six books and it was about the Chinese actually making a concerted attempt to defeat, overthrow and overrun the United States using essentially high technology weapons. And I think I say at the end of book six, the Chinese fail abysmally because it's not appropriate for them, speaking as a reader of these kind of books, that they should win in the end. And of course, the United States wins in the end. Which makes me feel very satisfied from the reading experience. You know what I mean?

Dean: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Dan: You don't really want to read about a thrilling future that turns out not to be a happy thing for yourself at the end and apparently. But one of the last things is that the U.S. has these jets, the F35s and a gave. And I have to check out with some people who know how, you know, how realistic experience. But they said when the F35 flight. So this would be a fight, maybe about six to 12 planes are up on mission. The pilots all experience themselves as part of the same game board. Okay. Like they don't have the experience of being inside their jets and the Other pilots being inside their jets, they experience themselves all connected to each other on the same game board. And the enemy planes are seen as, you know, as, you know, as objects, threatening objects coming in on the same game board. And the most of the action is really done with their eyes. Okay. They have to train and train and train and they're doing these eyes. My sense that probably already exists or is in the process of being realized. Okay. And any other area in warfare, whether it's on the water, whether it's on the land, whether it involves tanks, I got to believe that type of technology is being used. Can totally grasp the importance of that. Totally grasp.

Dean: But.

Dan: And gamers totally understand that it's competition, they have leagues, they have money payouts, they have reputations, everything. Totally understand it. There's but just everyday average people getting involved in this. You know, you got money, you got time and everything else. What are you doing it for? I mean, I just don't understand what the motivation. I can understand motivation, total motivation in those other areas and industrial uses where you can be walking around in an actual building 5,000 miles away and you're seeing every component of that building. Okay, I totally understand that. So that's kind of. My sense is that already exists.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: That aspect of the metaphors and it's not really known all that much to the people who are talking about like you can own this amount of real estate and everything like that because I don't know if you own it. I don't see what the ownership means in an area like this.

Dean: Right.

Dan: I mean, what do you own?

Dean: Well, you can only one of something. I mean that's really, you know, digital proof of it. You know, I think that's the whole. Yeah. That. That's where the NFT things are coming in.

Dan: Well, I am going to become a deputy of the Cleater Sheriff's Department. I will tell you that.

Dean: Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Why wouldn't we be? I will be too. There we go. Deputy Dan, Deputy Dean. We can make. We could be a great. We could be a buddy cop story. Deputy Dan, you know the streets of Cleaverville.

Dan: If you see the one, you know the others there. Because Deputy Dan and Deputy Dean only show up together.

Dean: That's right. You see the dynamic duo. Oh, this is good. Well, we're making something real. Yeah, for sure.

Dan: Yeah. My sense is, you know, that I had another thought of it because we had our famous. Our boy prime minister here in Canada tried to, you know, do something kind of bad to the country and then was forced to backstep on it that he with his emergency act and which deputized the banking system of Canada to freeze, seize and freeze the bank accounts of individual Canadians who in any way were connected with the truck convoy which embarrassed the Prime Minister and in the nation's capital. Yeah. And, and he was so frustrated. He was so angry that, so angry. He said I'm going, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to get my revenge against these truckers. So what happened? And this I'm just giving you what I'm learning from various strength Immediately, the banking system of Canada within the next three or four days they lost all their cash reserves. Every day people just withdrawing all their money as fast as they could in cash out. And the banks had to call the Prime Minister and says, you know, this is a terrible thing you've done to the banking system of Canada, you know, and everything like that. Who I believe he didn't consult before he issued anyway. But that's kind of interesting, you know it kind of, it's kind of because the, it's an interesting thing because the money they had was digital money until they walk into the mainland bank and they say I want all my digital money back into paper money.

Dean: Right.

Dan: And they didn't have it, they didn't have it on hand because they're only required under the law to have 10%.

Dean: Right.

Dan: You know, it's 10% of cash reserve.

Dean: Right, Right. Yeah.

Dan: Any. Anyway, and he had, you know, he, he had to beat a hasty retreat, you know, and, and everything like that, you know, so it's kind of interesting that you're starting to see some neat little intersections between the Cloudlandia and the mainland.

Dean: Yeah, that's the growing veins. Right. Like we're at that. The ground hasn't settled. We've had this collision. Yeah. And it's overtaking now. It's like the tectonic plates of the Cloudlandia are making their way onto the surface of the mainland and they're still driving in that collision and they haven't settled in where it's going to be. You know it's working in certain ways in that the. Our we've got a fully mature E commerce system basics in place where yeah, we can buy anything and get it delivered to our house. That's all, you know, that's all fantastic and game changing but it's this, you know, it's the gateway thing that combine physical mainland things with digital things that are. I don't Know whether they're The. They're problematic or the opportunity. I need to do some noodling. Like think about that in terms of where the. Yeah, because examples like mainland to mainland, there's a lot of stability and in those.

Dan: And trust, you know, I mean that's confirmed trust and. But I do feel. I'm just kind of trying to come up, you know, like I studied Euclid and I really like Euclid because he's got basic axioms and number one is correct and you. Axiom number two is correct and you put axiom one and axiom two together, there's a good basis that axiom number three is going to be solid. Two. And that's with geometry. You know, that's working out in geometry. And I was thinking there's kind of some funny reverse laws axioms for the crossover between the mainland and the. My feeling is that if you're proven to be an idiot in the mainland, it's probably going to be exponentially true. And the. In the Cloudlandia.

Dean: Yeah, I think that's true.

Dan: Idiots on one side are probably going to be idiots in the other.

Dean: Universal. That's true. There's. Yeah, they go back and forth Universe.

Dan: This is the law of universal idiot to it.

Dean: Now we're getting somewhere.

Dan: Yeah, well, you know, I'm an axiomatic guy. I like sound buildings. You know, I want building stones that are solid. You know, they all stand up to a heavy load.

Dean: Nobody is. I don't think anybody appointed Euclid to the position of having his insights. I think we could just take that position and start making your insights.

Dan: We could just declare it.

Dean: That's what I mean, you know, one of the greatest things at the annual event or the Joe's reunion event. I think one of the highlights of the thing was Steve Sims in his talk in media. He was great that his thing. He told the story of how he was. The things he's been able to pull off, like getting Andrea Bocelli to sing at a small dinner party at the

Dan: feet of David next to the statue of David.

Dean: The statue of David. And asking how did I pull that off? Well, nobody's ever asked me. And how many things are. That was, I think the big thing. How many things are you holding yourself back from by just not asking, you know, or even imagining them. I've been breaking down my imagine. If you applied yourself, Dan, to parsing it out. Imagine is the first part of it. And I think that most of us don't have a crystal clear vision for the things that we would do if we could apply ourselves. Yeah, I think there's something to that. If you can get to like you did. You spent 25 years writing every day in a journal. What do I want? Yeah, that's that same kind of thing

Dan: except for 12 days. There's 9100, 9131 days in 25 years. And that accounts, that accounts for six leap days.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And now the extra day every four. So it was 9131 and I, I did it. Nine thousand one hundred and nineteen days. Yeah, I did that.

Dean: I don't think people, I don't think, Dan, that most people have had 12 occasions, period where they've asked themselves, what do I want? Any thought or imagination. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, it doesn't make you want everything.

Dean: No.

Dan: It makes you want certain things very much.

Dean: Yes. Yeah.

Dan: When you get weird, I think. Yeah. Well, it's really funny because I had offer when I was at Genius in Impact Filter form, those of the listeners who. This is a, you know, just a classic, very important thinking tool in Strategic Coach. So someone who had been, he hadn't been with me, but someone who had been in Strategic Coach came up with a perfectly typed out impact filter and gave it to me.

Dean: That's.

Dan: He represents a group that is planning a worldwide, I think, coaching organization. Okay. Where they're going to take the best of that already exist and, and enroll them within the overall platform and then they'll have worldwide marketing capabilities. And, and you know, and he gave it to me and I read it and I read it through, you know, it was a well done impact filter. And I, I got to the end and I said, well, I will tell you right off the bat, I see very clearly why this would be good for you.

Dean: That's true.

Dan: Yeah. And it's because of a certain clarity I have about what, you know, Babs and I have put together in Collaboration with over 20,000 entrepreneurs and our team members. And that is, and this is something. When you come to your next free zone, whether it's a connector, whether it's. We have one coming up in two weeks in March and it'll be in Chicago and it'll be live. You know, all the mandate stuff goes off tomorrow morning and Illinois and Chicago. So we'll be back to completely free workshops in Chicago in two weeks. So. And but what I've under stand now that there's a basic organizational form and I'm picking it up from all the high tech firms, the tech Firms that have been really successful, they have exactly the same organizational form. So I'm thinking this is something that's heading towards a world where Cloudlandia is going to play a bigger and bigger part. And that is you have three, three levels to an organization. I'll start at the top. Fundamentally, the most important thing is that you have a very durable, constantly deepening, constantly expanding platform that your business actually represents. A platform.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And then as supporting the platform. Think of them as sort of pillars are various kinds of programs. Various kinds of programs. And this is the value of the platform being applied to different people for different reasons.

Dean: Right.

Dan: But very durable. And then feeding the pillars are a constant, never ending and unpredictable succession of shortcuts. These are intellectual shortcuts.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And the shortcuts make the platforms more valuable and the those more valuable. You know, programs make the overall platform more mighty. They make it a mighty platform. Okay. So that, and what I realized in all of that, my only personal interest is constantly creating new shortcuts. Like. Yeah, you know, I'm not a program builder and I'm not, you know, the platform is whatever. The platform at the top is whatever is of interest for me to build at the. At the bottom. And I. So I've been testing with Free zone and with 10, 10, 10 times workshops. I've tested about four times right now. And there's a formula that shortcuts times programs equals platform. So it's very Euclidean. Very Euclidean, yeah. Okay. And the reason is because shortcuts are just new things that you're thinking of every day.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Wow. Wow. That would knock out three steps here. You know, if we did it this way, we could achieve this with three fears. Ah, this is a shortcut, you know. Yeah, this is a shortcut, you know, everything like that. So. And my sense is that you can establish this on any business establishment. In other words, you can say you don't see that your company looks like this, but we can show you if you just keep this in mind, that all the really important stuff you do contributes to the diagram of the platform and everything that you're doing as a business that doesn't really contribute as a shortcut as a program and as the platform itself probably isn't worth spending any more time on.

Dean: That's definitely the way I look at the eight profit activators that it's that.

Dan: Oh, yeah.

Dean: Level of. Yeah. They're all sharks.

Dan: Totally

Dean: universal. Yeah.

Dan: Euclid lived in 300 B.C. and Alexandria. And if we got you to the right place, then. And we Got you to the right room and you went in and with a translator said, you know, can I tell you something? You're talking about architecture and you're talking about other things. I want to tell you about money. And I have to tell you, this is what you're doing with angles and circles and triangles and everything. Like, this is what I'm doing with money. And he say, yes, indeed. First principles.

Dean: Yes. That's exciting. I love it.

Dan: Well, Dan, so and so my sense that the type of people who have historically become important in the mainland over 10,000 years, we have history 10,000 years. People who have become historically important and they are historically famous in a positive way because they created new things that made life more successful and enjoyable for other people. Those exact same kind of people will be historically remembered in Cloudlandia.

Dean: That's awesome.

Dan: Yeah, that's what I think.

Dean: That's what I love. That's. We're documenting it all the way through. Yeah. We got front row seats to see it all happen.

Dan: But it's new. It's new. Yeah, it's new right now.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: Not. It hasn't been mapped out yet.

Dean: Right. Cartographers. That's what we are.

Dan: Yeah. We are eminent or eminent cartography. Anyway, this was a good one.

Dean: Yes, sir. So we're back on track now. We'll see.

Dan: I will be back next week.

Dean: I love that it left a know sitting there. Talk to on Sunday morning. All right. Yeah, welcome back and I will talk to you next week.

Dan: Bye.

Dean: Thanks, Dan. Bye.

Dan: Bye.