The Future Of Economics

Dean: Welcome to Cloudlandia, Mr. Sullivan.

Dan: Ah, Mr. Jackson, welcome.

Dean: A half hour, Landia.

Dan: Yes. A power is not too much to wait.

Dean: Okay, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, I appreciate it.

Dan: So, yeah, I did your breakfast. I mean, exactly.

Dean: Yeah, everything. Everything worked out. That's perfect. Thank you. That's so funny. I have. It's interesting. I've had an interesting word combination come to me that I've been contemplating for the last 24 hours or so, and the words are insufficiently bullish. And I thought to myself, that is an interesting thought. However, it was expressed in. In terms of NFTs and crypto blockchain. However, bullish. You are on it. You are insufficiently bullish. And I was thinking about that. As bullish as we are on the Free Zone frontier and Cloudland, we are insufficiently bullish with a 2030 perspective.

Dan: 2030?

Dean: Yeah. If our target is the year 2030 from a vista of 2021, I believe that as exciting as it all sounds and as effusive as we are about it, that I think we are, the more I look at it and think about it. Insufficiently bullish on the future of the Free Zone and Cloudlandia, of which NFTs and blockchain and all that will be a part of. But I just look at it, you

Dan: know, it's really interesting. I just did a fascinating book called Apocalypse Never by Michael Shellenberger, and I'm gonna. I'm gonna buy it for everybody in 10 times for December. And he's a farmer, you know, very significant. Environmental, almost. You know, almost on the extreme side, going back to the 80s. And he's done a switch. Okay. Which is a very interesting thing that I followed for 30 years that anyone. I've only met people who were at one time on the political left who have moved right, but I've never met anyone on the political right who has moved left, you know, in my entire life. Now, that just may be my personal experience that people who were on the right move left probably don't want to.

Dean: Hillary Clinton will try and tell you that she is one of those people.

Dan: Yeah. Here's the truth about Hillary. Hillary will be whoever you want her to be.

Dean: Well, that's what I'm saying. I just wanted to point out minute by minute. But she made a point of growing up.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. But Hillary can move positions and move personalities.

Dean: Oh, yeah.

Dan: Faster than. Faster than Superman, you know, I mean, she can be in the costume.

Dean: She'll tell you. That's what rooted her in. Her, that Southern conservative You know, that she's got that in her roots. She saw this more inclusive way.

Dan: Hillary doesn't remember who she was an hour ago, and she doesn't know who she. In the future. It's whatever the situation calls for. But the Bill always knows who he is.

Dean: Right.

Dan: I always say they had the perfect collaboration. For 30 years, Bill just had a good time. He created all the good times, and she cleaned up all the messes. It was a perfect collaboration. And anyway. But Michael Schellenberger book is really fascinating. One of the things that he talks about there is that the environmental movement. The environmental movement, it's almost entirely consists highly educated, affluent Westerners who live in processed countries. Okay. And the impact of their policies would be to prevent any poor country from getting richer.

Dean: Mm. I wonder now the. Yeah. That. You know, it's the tax that was just agreed on, or in theory, the global minimum income tax or corporate. Corporate tax. Yeah. That. I think that's going one step closer to acceptance of decentralized finance in a way. Right. Like moving closer to a. To there being a crypto type of digital currency that everybody's on board with.

Dan: Yeah. But here's the point about that. Now, the corporate tax in the United States, would you go for 15%?

Dean: Yeah, exactly.

Dan: Yes, I would. I. I totally would. I totally would. Yeah. I mean, it's such a joke. You can't go below 15%. You know, name the country in the world except for maybe Singapore, maybe Ireland, maybe the other countries that's ever been below 15%, vast majority of them wrapped around 30%. I'd go for 15%. Why don't we just make it uniform? 15% around the world right now, that solve a lot of problems? I don't know. I don't know. I don't think change happens really at that level. I think it happens at the level of maybe 500 million people operating for about 10 years without being observed by government.

Dean: Right.

Dan: That would really change. I think that's already changing the world that you and I have been living for the last year and a half, especially the last year and a half in a secret, invisible and undetectable world.

Dean: Yes, that is true.

Dan: I'm not telling. I'm telling people who are doing that about it, but I'm not telling people who aren't doing that about it.

Dean: Yeah. That whole. It's so amazing to look at it even in this perspective, though, with. I'm also as much as excited. I am about 20, 30. I'm often looking back, just watched a new series now. Just started the engineering that made us. And it was started out with the railroad again. And so back another perspective on the railroad. On the railroad thing and really free zone collaboration between the government and the, you know, two railroads that made the transcontinental railroad happen. And the exchange of. They got rich from not the fees they were paid for, but real estate. You've mentioned it before.

Dan: Yeah, yeah.

Dean: And that whole. Now that. That was the. The foundation there. And you see then I just, I'm interested in where in this like what are we going to be talking about in 2030 as we look back on the current state of where we are right now? Like as you know, what's an NFT is the. That's the equivalent of that Bryant gumball. What is Internet. You know that was a. Yeah. When they got that sound bite that would make a really good NFT actually somebody to have that. That piece.

Dan: You know, I think it's from my perception, you know, having, you know, I'm in my completing my eighth decade, so I've got a little bit of history, you know, in terms of my own personal experience. And there's a very famous book, it's a history of science book by a man by the name of Thomas Kuhn. Kuhn, and it's called the Structure of Scientific Revolutions. Came out in 60s 70s. And he's the one who coined the term paradigm shift. And so he says a paradigm is a way of thinking about things that sort of dominates, you know, kind of the general situation, you know, during any given time. And he says this happens in all fields of activity, but it happens in science too that you'll have certain ideas about science that have and the product of scientists and physicists who became very famous. Darwin would be an example, Einstein would be another example that yes, they're good, they've got a shelf life. In other words, that they might last 40, 50, they might last for 100 years. And they get, they give room and they give structure and kind of direction for a lot of people to make a lot of progress. But as they get, you know, at a certain stage of shelf life, they start not the things that they don't answer starts accumulating. And after a while, younger people coming along say, you know, what we're learning doesn't really explain what we see going on. And of course the younger people are having a totally different experience than the older experience. The older experience have had success. They've got position, they've got security, they've got influence. And the younger people don't have Any of this. But the younger ones have new ideas. And he says, and all at once a new idea will come along and it becomes extraordinarily disruptive. And he said, but it'll be resisted, It'll be very strongly resisted by those in the establishment. And he said, therefore the single biggest factor for scientific from one paradigm to another is the funerals of old scientists.

Dean: Interesting.

Dan: It's only when that older generation dies, then there's room for the new people, there's new ideas. And biggest factor that's going to change 230 and make it very different from 2020 is the death of the baby boom generation as an important factor in society.

Dean: Well, the interesting thing, we're mentioning Hillary,

Dan: you know, we were mentioning Hillary's whole generation who were the anti war generation during the 1960s. They'll all be tired, you know, tired, fired, dead, retired. By 2030, they'll have no influence. They'll have, this is their last kick. Joe Biden is a member of that generation. And you know, he, you know, he was elected with 20, only 20% left on his batteries. You know, I mean, it's been, you know, he's been, you know, he's got about two good hours a day probably, you know, and then. Yeah, he has to be protected. Well, that whole generation, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and everything. And probably the only exception to the rule is probably Trump. Trump looks better now than he did 10 years ago. I mean, Trump, he's got, he's got a different kind of energy. But the other thing is that he's got ideas that are totally opposed to the baby boom establishment. And I'm interested in it because I'm actually older than the baby boom generation I was born.

Dean: Yeah, you're the silent generation, right?

Dan: I'm a silent guy.

Dean: Yeah. But you're close enough to the baby boom that you're, you're on the right on the, you're the tail. You're this, what we call it. You're the leading edge of the silent generation. Right.

Dan: Actually.

Dean: And behind you though, there's a big gap.

Dan: Actually. I was first in line for everything that every I, I was first in line for everything that was good for the baby boom generation.

Dean: Right. Yeah, yeah.

Dan: As they were.

Dean: When I got into saying we're gonna need. Yeah.

Dan: When I got into school, there was massive amount of personal attention you could get from teachers because they really had been planning on a much bigger classes. When I got into the job market, there were more jobs than there were people to take them. And so My whole life has been. I got into real estate at the right time. You know, it's kind of like almost everything. I got into entrepreneurism at the right time. So the big thing. A lot of people talk about technology and they talk about this, but they don't talk about demographics. And I think demographics are the single biggest, most powerful change factor that hardly anyone pays any attention to.

Dean: I agree. Yeah. And I look at that, like, if you just look at the chart of.

Dan: What are you. By the way, you're so.

Dean: I am the leading. I'm. I was 1966. So I am a generation.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: I'm the beginning of generation X. And so I'm an elder Generation X, but close enough to the young. You know, there's always this.

Dan: You're on the other side of the book. You're two years on the other side of the boomers following. I'm years before the boomers ahead of.

Dean: That's right. That's right. So we bookend the boomers, you and I, 22 years apart.

Dan: You and I. Yeah.

Dean: And so. But what's interesting is if you just look at demographically, what's happening after the baby boomers, your. It's all. The silent generation, what you were called through the Depression and the leading up to the end, the war, birth rates were way down compared to the GI generation in the 20s. Right?

Dan: Yes. Yeah.

Dean: The. All the g. The ones who are. It's the very, very tail end of the GI generation that's.

Dan: They're dying alive.

Dean: They're all dying now. And there's gonna be a big gap of people who. I think, for two reasons. First of all, your generation, you're closer to the baby boom. Your end of the silent generation was more like the baby boom than like the silent generation, I would say, in that you have gravitated, you've benefited from that.

Dan: I mean, I didn't really have. My parents in their. Their entire lifetime, were in their most secure, comfortable position the year that I was born. I think probably until, you know, probably in their entire life. My father worked in a war factory, so he was exempt from the military draft because he already had four children before the war started, when Pearl harbor, and he was already working in a war factory when that happened. So he was completely exempt. And, you know, I'll send you an article. It's a description of the war factory that he worked in Cleveland, Ohio. They went from around 150 employees to about 2,500 employees in about six months. And they made gyroscopes for airplanes And I mean, people would dream about having the perks that they had in that factory. And 19. Yeah, you know, the 1940s that my father had. But my father was an entrepreneur. You know, he grew up on a farm. One had his own farm. And, you know, as soon as the war was over, he quit. And they. They offered him huge, you know, bonus if he would stay on and especially if he would move to California, because they moved. Most of the big defense corporations moved to California after the second world war from the mid east Midwest. They moved out there. And he said, I can't stand it. He says, I can't stand working in that. So that's when he made his break. But it was tough. I mean, the farm failed after, you know, and moved in 46 started the farm failed in 55. And he reinvented himself as a landscaper and he did well, but never financially. They never did as well as they did during the war, you know, and. Yeah, I mean, I mean, the government was paying everybody during the war, you know, I mean. Yeah, it was like the last, you know, a little bit. People got a little taste of this during the last two years of COVID but during the second world war was, you know, the government paid for everything. Every crop, every vegetable, every fruit, every thing that the farmers raised. The government bought it right away. I mean, you couldn't. You couldn't fail during the second world war. Government, everything. Yeah.

Dan: So I was born during really good times, you know, and I've lived my life. I've really lived my life during really good times. At any given time, some people are having good times and some people are having bad times. My experience is the only bad times I've had in my life was my own fault.

Dean: Right?

Dan: That's true.

Dean: Somebody's having it. That was one thing. That's what we learned in tennis, that every shot makes somebody happy. Right. So that's the. Every shot makes somebody happy. So that's kind of. It. Just look for. You can shapeshift and be happy.

Dan: Yeah, Yeah. I don't care if you have the top two players in the world at any given time, one of them is under average.

Dean: That's exactly right. Slightly under average. Yeah. But this whole getting back to your demographic thing that what's noticeable is between, you know, right before you. The birth rate was really low from 1930 to 1942. You know, ish kind of thing

Dan: really started going down. The. The. It took the depression. I mean, they talk about the stock market crash as if the depression started in one day. It actually happened over about 30 months. You know. 30 months. And there was a stock market crash, but the market came back up and then there'd be little crashes and everything else. The problem was they didn't have a banking system that could keep the economy supplied with cash.

Dean: Right.

Dan: There was no, There was no bank insurance in those days. Banks. Nothing is demoralizing as the bank that you have all your cash in going bankruptcy.

Dean: Right. Yeah. And that's of course, less than 100 years ago now. And.

Dan: Yeah, yeah.

Dean: I mean, amazing how we've, how far we've come. But right after my generation started that we were the first generation where they were literally taking pills to not have us. And it worked and there was far fewer of us then the generations prior and gap until you get to the, you know, millennials.

Dan: Yeah, yeah.

Dean: But that 15 year generation, you know, from 1965 to 1981, generation X there, that is much smaller as a cohort than either the baby boomers or the millennials. I mean, it's like little desert in the, the birth rate, you know, chart. And those things make a difference. Like when you look at, you know, you look at the. I was like, Harry Dent is born

Dan: gutting industrial.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: You know, it was the, just the massacre of industrial jobs and industries and cities in the United States.

Dean: That.

Dan: So. Yeah. Yeah.

Dean: Harry Dent is where I first learned about this, like back in the 90s when I first heard about Harry. And then I love, you know, the new. The joke about Harry now is that he's predictably. He's successfully predicted two of last ten

Dan: out of the last three. Yep.

Dean: He's.

Dan: He's. Oh, he's. He works on the broken clock theory. You know, twice a broken clock is correct.

Dean: Exactly. See, I said it. I thought it was gonna go. The man who predicted it. Yeah. I think even he would agree that we are. I think he might agree that we are insufficiently bullish on the 2030 Freeland Free Zone future powered by cloudland.

Dan: Here's. I would predict for 19 or 2030 that is not being talked about now. There will be a growing consensus that nuclear power is the energy solution.

Dean: Mm. I think that's already among scientists. That is the truth, isn't it? Already?

Dan: Yeah, it's just. Yeah.

Dean: It's unfortunate. It's like what you say about. It was named by itself.

Dan: Yeah. I mean, the thing is that they've been, you know, the, the people who are into nuclear science have been, you know, have had their back to the cliff now for. Since the 70s, you know, since the 70s. So it's going on 50 years. They've had their, you know, one foot. Some people are trying. As a matter of fact, Michael Shellenberger in his book Apocalypse Never says that there's actually been a tacit agreement between the petroleum industry and the anti fossil fuels industry to destroy the nuclear industry. And he gives, you know, whole chapters of agreements between people who say they're anti fossil fuel but they be totally in favor of a nuclear plant shutting down, being replaced with coal or natural gas or oil and everything else. And the reason is nuclear energy is really abundance energy. I mean it really gets cheap when you get to the nuclear stage because it lasts about 80 to 100 years with very, almost no maintenance for, you know, they just have to make sure that they're doing what they're doing and, and it's emissions free. There's emissions free. The storage of waste is a, you know, a well established secret. There's no, there's been no incidents in the United States since they put in patients any of the waste causing contamination. Total number of Deaths worldwide since 1953 caused by, directly caused by radiation and that includes Chernobyl is like a hundred, like a hundred people. And the U.S. military Navy has been using nuclear since 1954 for submarines. No accidents whatsoever. I had a bra, I have a nephew who is 25 years or so and I said how frequently do they have to refuel? And they usually seven or eight years. They can go seven or eight years between new fuel.

Dean: Amazing.

Dan: Yeah. They create all their own oxygen. They create all their water because they have to run the water over the net.

Dean: Right.

Dan: It's just humans because that's how he

Dean: really is.

Dan: It's your house, your household. I mean take a look at your household there in celebration. Isn't the big cost of humans.

Dean: That's right, it is. That's true. Yeah.

Dan: My company, my company. You can run my company dirt cheap. Except for all the humans.

Dean: That's right. If it wasn't for the people in the paperwork. Yeah,

Dan: it's true. Like your customer base would be a cinch. Except for the humans.

Dean: Yeah, that's exactly right in most cases. It's funny though, that whole. Yeah, it is funny, but I just thought you would get a kick out of those words. Insufficiently, insufficiently bullish.

Dan: It was Bill Gates that said this. You know, he hasn't said much that I find his. Everybody is over optimistic what you can get done here and totally under, totally underestimate.

Dean: Yeah, that's amazing, isn't it? Because you, you think about how even just we're living in a world right now that is almost unrecognizable or unimaginable from what it was 10 years ago, two years ago, even, even two years ago. You're absolutely right. Yeah. This isn't the start to whatever.

Dan: We should just get the transcript of verify past years ago in October. Okay. Yeah, we're talking about and see what we're talking about today. I, you know, if you gave it to somebody and said, I don't know what happened between this first one and the second one, but there's a full reality that they seem to be talking about in number two, but they're not even aware of in number one.

Dean: That is true. I haven't really thought about that. That that's really what so much of what we're. Yeah. Talking about has really been impacted over the last two years. Yes.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: And who knows, even that's the kind of thing, I guess 10 years right now. I don't know whether you or Eben Pagan, I've had this conversation with about the actionable future, but 10 years feels like a little, it's not as actionable today as the three year kind of future, you know. Yeah.

Dan: First of all, I was talking about this in the workshop. So I had four workshops last week and I was saying, you know, one of the things I observed and I said, look, I said, you know, during my lifetime I was born in 1944, so, you know, during my lifetime the population of the planet has gone up by 350%.

Dean: Okay.

Dan: So it's more than tripled. The population of the planet has tripled and everybody is blaming change and disruption on everything. And I said, but nobody brings up the fact that the population of the planet tripled in size. I'm not talking about, I'm not talking about the impact on the environment or anything else. I'm just talking about having that many human beings get up in the morning and make decisions. It's not three and a half times more complexity, it's 1000 times more complexity, 3 million times more complexity and unpredictability. So I think that the period in front of timeways for any of us, you, me, anybody, and we're good. I mean, I mean, you and I give probably more contemplation to what might happen in our lives ahead of us than the vast majority of people that I know. I mean, I think we're both, I think we're both, you know, gazers at what lies ahead. We kind of gaze ahead.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Kind of pick out things that we like and us. That we don't like and we re gauge our direction and all sorts of things. I would say our ability to do that in a actionable way. It has been divided maybe in half since we started our podcast series.

Dean: In has been what, by half.

Dan: The actionable future that we have ahead of us is actually been cut in half since we started our actionable. So we might have been able to take action on something that was three years away. And my feeling is we'd be much more rewarded not to go out too much more than a year and a half.

Dean: I agree with you, Chad.

Dan: Transactional activities.

Dean: Yes. Right.

Dan: And the reason is the general environment will change so much that a three year. A three year would be pretty worthless.

Dean: Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: And that's not anything about us. And we're getting better. Both of us are getting better at what we do. It's just what. What you can be certain about, I think is coming closer. On the other hand, it can be your ability to be in control of your response to uncertainty is going up at the same time. And I think your VCR is the. Your VCR is the key to that. You know, two things. Who, not how and vcr. I think if you put the two of them together, isn't that much you need to know there isn't that certainly. It's good, right?

Dean: It certainly is a great playbook, for sure.

Dan: Yeah. You know, I got. I've got a goal. It's a what that we should achieve. I shouldn't do any of the house.

Dean: Right.

Dan: I don't care. I don't care. I don't care who does the house. Yeah.

Dean: Yes. That's exactly right. And that's. I just love that whole. So anything that is. Anything that's kind of illustrating those. You know, I've often. I've talked about the eight profit activators and the breakthrough blueprint as durable context. Like a music theory sort of thing. The theory that you can write all the other songs with that the who, not how and the VCR formula are really that for. I think the free zone. That when you look at it, that with that philosophy of who, not how and that structure of vision capabilities and reach that all the things that are happening are a combination of those three components.

Dan: Mm.

Dean: That goes a long way.

Dan: Yeah. And the whole thing is that allows, you know, I mean, allows things. It allows you to be in your unique ability. Yes. Being pulled out rather than being full and. Yeah. What do I know that I'm not going to do in the future. I'm not going to do anything that's outside do I know, right? Yeah. Yes. I have pretty good handle on it. Would I know my unique ability three years from now? I would. What about 10 years ago? I would, you know, so that's predictability. Okay. And I know I can take everything available to me and divide them into three columns. I got certain visions, personal and business. I've got certain capabilities, personal and business. I've got a lot of reach, personal and business. And once I get capability and one halfway through the capability and reach, you know, business, not mine. They're other people's.

Dean: Yeah. Yeah. That's the greatest thing is seeing them through other people's. Seeing being able to get things out of the world through others. It's amazing.

Dan: Yeah. So my sense is that what's dying in the world right now? I'm just watching it. You know, I was just looking at the popularity polls this morning. So Biden was 64% on Election Day or not on election day, inauguration day. He came into office at 64%. And we're eight months down the road. Eight, nine. I'm not sure how many months since inauguration date. He's at 36. He's dropped 28 points. Not all the polls, but uncle where he was 64, he's now 36. That's a 28 point drop. You know, if he had jumped off the Washington Monument, he couldn't have gone down any faster.

Dean: Wow. Yeah. I mean that's.

Dan: I don't think, and I don't think it has personally, I don't think it has anything to do with him. It's the entire class of every, everything that he's been part of. And I don't again, it's not personal. Is that entire baby boom generation that started taking power, you know and you know, they took power moment they were born, you know, because they began, you know, all of a sudden advertisers became interested in six year olds, you know. You know, rock and roll wouldn't have happened in the 1950s except there were 10 or 12 year old baby boomers who could, you know, who could pay cash for records, you know, they could buy shoes, they could buy clothes and everything like that. So from a consumer standpoint, the baby boomer generation has been in charge, you know, really since the mid-50s.

Dean: Yeah, I guess that is true, isn't it? I mean that's right from being. Yeah. Because everybody was kind of paving Mickey Mouse club for them. Everything's been in service of the, you know, What? I just saw something in a different light. But it certainly has been all eyes on us, the baby boomers.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Since you're absolutely right.

Dan: Yeah. It really strikes me, you know, I haven't watched, you know, I haven't watched television for three, three and a half years. But some of the advertising spills over to the Internet and I pick up on it and I said why, why are the ads filled up with old users? I mean there's all these people of gray, gray haired men and women, they've got all the money of all skin colors. And I said it's, it's exactly the same people that they were focusing on in 1956. They're just 65 years older.

Dean: Yes, I think that's true once I'm

Dan: surprised that I think back to see massive increase in advertising on growth and cremations over the next 10 years.

Dean: Hmm. I wonder they'll still be the big consumer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dan: You know, until their dust the settle gets blown away in the wind or the grass grows over. There's still, yeah, they're still spending, you know and it's really, it's interesting how this one, and that was, that was their big power. It was consumption power, it wasn't creative power. I don't think on a per capita basis for the number of them that there were, I don't think they were any more productive or you know, created other generations. As a matter of fact, maybe the, you know, there's particular generations. Maybe it was the greatest generation. Maybe they created more stuff, you know, on a per capita basis. But from a consumption standpoint, boy, the boomers, I mean they're the all time champs. I think per capita, you know, in present dollars they were the,

Dean: you look at now, even as they're aging now and getting into retirement, there's, you know, they're certainly the first generation to be embracing longevity kind of things more than my mom's generation. Like your, my mom was born in 1936, so she was, she would be, you know, closing in on 90, 85 I guess right now.

Dan: Right?

Dean: Yep. So you look at it, but she in that early or that age, she was not hip to a vasper machine or a. You know what I mean? You took at that end, you had the baby boomer access mentality kind of thing with the, with money to be able to focus on longevity. Your experience at 77 is very different than what even five years ago, someone's experience.

Dan: Well, it's different from, different from almost anyone who's age.

Dean: Yeah, but you're seeing now though that there are lots of people in their 70s who have been embracing longevity like this now. Right. And not for nothing but yeah, William Shatner, 90 years old, look at him going out in space.

Dan: Yeah, yeah.

Dean: But that kind of thing now, you know, these.

Dan: That guy George. What's his name? I don't know if any of the cast is still alive except for you, Michelle Shatner. And it'd be interesting to go back and think with that piece of cast and see how many of them still alive.

Dean: George Takei is and yeah, and so is William Shatner, but I think Spock died.

Dan: Oh yeah.

Dean: Nimoy died four or five.

Dan: Four or five years ago, I think. Yeah, yeah. But it's very, very interesting and yeah,

Dean: but I think this whole support this brings in the people, the baby boomers now I'm always looking at this like Lee Iacocca would be looking at this group now with the big trail as they cross the 65 year mark, that there's. How are they going to ease into their 70s and go from there and it's going to be an interesting. Yeah. Even services that allow them to, you know, being who's. For all the things that stop people from staying in their home or doing all the things. I think what Lisa Cini is doing in terms of showcasing things that make your home more viable and coupled with concierge services and things that, you know, make like you. And I'm laughing because I'm sitting in my courtyard right now and I've got the. I've got her pillows. Lillian made these pillows for the Four Seasons Valhalla pillows. Because that's our mindset. We go through, you know, totally your articulation of it that we don't want to do any more at home than we would do if we were staying at the Four Seasons. We've adopted that we have a logo and everything. We refer to our house as the four Seasonal.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. One of my goals for our practice properties because we have, you know, we have Chicago, we have Toronto and then we have halls like one of the significant improvement project every single year.

Dean: Yes,

Dan: you have, you know, and, and you know, I mean, I mean I could have learned, I could have learned this from you, probably first met you. But the last two years have indicated to me that residential real estate in certain places is a really good investment.

Dean: You think?

Dan: Yeah, yeah,

Dean: that's true, isn't it?

Dan: Our cottage property, we bought it in February of last year. Okay. We. The second we have one cottage, but the cottage next to us with Two and a half acres came up and we haven't done a thing with it. We haven't done anything with it. The value went up 80% one year.

Dean: That's amazing.

Dan: Yeah, we're going to tear it down. We're going to tear down. But we didn't get around it. And the value went up 80% here in the city. I don't know what it is, but I gotta believe it was very significant. That's what my. You know, Chicago is too close to a place where there are 10 shootings a day.

Dean: I was just gonna say, isn't that like where it's. It's one of those places that. Did Illinois have a net loss migration.

Dan: Well, last two congressional seats. That tells you everything you need to know. Unless.

Dean: There you go. That's it.

Dan: Yeah, they. Ye. That's a bad sign for a state when it loses congressional seats because, you know, it's like the very, very least. It's like you lost a million in population. Yeah. And two, it means you've lost very significant population. You know, the. Here's an interesting thing about the Constitution. A lot of people don't know, but the number of congressional seats never increases. You know, that is 435. And that's an amendment to the Constitution. It's in the 20s. I think it might be, you know, in the 24.5. I'll have to go and look and do not. Do you know why it's 435?

Dean: I did know and I forget.

Dan: I see all the seats that they can actually fit in the building

Dean: and we gotta. We're not. Whatever. Okay, we can start this. But I'll tell you what, I repeat, we are not adding any new seats to this building.

Dan: No, no. I mean, I mean, they tried. They tried. But the, you know, the House side of the Capitol building, you have the Senate and one side and 435 is it. You can't get more than 435. And so they said, well, that should be a law. And that kind of shows you how laws are created. You know, we've ran out of room. Let's make it.

Dean: They're probably agreeing. No, totally. Okay. Yeah. No, we agree with that. That's fine. We'll just. More. We'll just keep the districts the same. Right?

Dan: Yeah. So the thing is, they've got 50 states, you know, that have. They have the seats. And yeah. The 435 are, you know, are divided a popular demographic basis. And so every 10 years they have a census and, you know, the number Goes up, you know. You know, the total number of Americans probably went up 10 million. 10 million. I don't know what the number was. So they take the new number, divide by 435, and then look at the states and say, who gained population, who lost population? And your state, you know, every census now forever gains about two seats every 10 years.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: New York is in a total continuous loss situation. Most New England is in a continual loss situation. Midwest, Michigan, Ohio, Illinois, they're losing population. Texas, gaining population. Arizona, you know, so they, you know, all the places that are pleasant during the winter time for aging and dying baby boomers gain seats. Except for California for the first time in its history. Lost. Lost a seat. And. Yeah, that's because of almost impossibly bad government.

Dean: Yeah. Welcome to Florida.

Dan: Yeah. The hotspot. Texas and Florida are the two. There are the two powerhouses now in the United States.

Dean: Texas and Florida. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Happy to be in one.

Dan: States that used to be parks and ranches. That's what those two states were. And now they're powerhouses.

Dean: You see, this is good news. This is good. You can't go wrong in cottage country either. You can't go wrong in Muskoka.

Dan: The population is. The only problem right now is if you try to. We have spent the last two and a half years trying to put a veranda on our first cottage. You know, it's just a. You know, it's about a 10 foot by 40 foot, you know, screened in porch. Yeah, screened. It's not glasses. Screened in. Because we don't go much during the winter, and it took us two years to get it through housing.

Dean: Wow. Why?

Dan: You know why? Because they can't make a decision unless they're in person.

Dean: Oh, wow.

Dan: They can't.

Dean: They.

Dan: Four of them can. There's four of them that have to make a decision, and they can't do it on zoom. There's no provisions in their ground rules that they can do this by Zoom. Although they could have a meeting. They could have a meeting in a parking lot where each four of them, you know, they each have a bar window. So that could be kind of like in a circle. They could make a rule to change the. That they could do it by Zoom, but they. They. Boy, that's big stuff. Yeah, that's big stuff. Making a decision that you can make a decision by. By zoom. How do we know that's really the person?

Dean: That's crazy.

Dan: How do I know you're not just a recorded group, Dean?

Dean: Well, there's. There's no reassurance, Dan, unless you. You have the touring test and ask me something only I would know or something. I guess that's.

Dan: You see, based the historical inventiveness and originality of their discussions. They can't tell whether it's recorded or not

Dean: even when it's live.

Dan: So anyway, it took us two years and then the supply chains. We ran into the supply chain problem, you know, just getting wood, you know, just getting. Yes, yeah. And everything like that, you know. So anyway, that is a big shift. The other thing is that 80% of I believe, North American supply chains, which were offshore. In other words, that something that you wanted in North America had to come from someplace in the world. Ten years from now, 80% of that will be in North America.

Dean: As I'm noticing that with Amazon now, I mean, noticing microcosms of that in a way that you're noticing everything being positioned to serve these little zones here that I know their logistics have gotten really good in their distribution of where they warehouse things that I've even had situations where at 10 o' clock at night I could order something and it tells me you can have it tomorrow. Yeah. Which is still. I mean, it is kind of. I'm just realizing what an amazing.

Dan: Like, you know, it just means that warehouse. It just means that warehousing is going to be.

Dean: Yeah, warehousing and all of that and. But the big. Yeah, there's so many. There's the real things that are there. People are. Everybody's telling me they're struggling with. Is finding people to. To work, to do the actual. Everybody loves the partaking in the convenience, but not many people like providing the convenience boots on the ground effort to maintain that convenience. Like it takes a lot of. I just think about sitting here on the couch outside in the courtyard, shopping on Instacart for Publix to have somebody bring the food, bring the groceries right to your door or to have somebody cook stuff for you and bring it right to you. All of the bring it right to you.

Dan: There's all sorts of thesis about there being so many unfilled jobs going. This is like historic. They've never had this many unfilled jobs in the history of US Economy. US Economy never had this many unfilled jobs. And there's all sorts of theories about this. You know, starting with. It just shows you how lazy people are. Just showed you, you know, that the government is bribing them to stay at home. I mean there's all these theses. And I said, I. I said The COVID people staying at home gave them time for the first time because I realized that before, they were just too busy and tired to know how shitty their jobs were. Wow.

Dean: Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: If you give them a week's good sleep and you give them some time to think about it, they said, I can't believe I ever did that job. You know, I. I can't believe that, you know, I would travel an hour to get to. And I can't believe I did. I did that. When I went on the Longevity trip to Boston and New York with. Yeah. You know, I flew business class, and we stayed up the Four Seasons in the Mandarin Oriental with us. And about five times during the trip, I said to myself, I can't believe I ever put up with this.

Dean: I know, exactly.

Dan: I.

Dean: You are so right. It's. It's. Yeah. Even just for meetings that are. Yeah. Outside of. It's just such.

Dan: Anyway.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Two things. I don't know. If Eleanor contacted you, could you send us your schedule or break the blueprint for the.

Dean: I will. I got the email from Eleanor and I will. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. Cassandra. Because I have one. Somebody here in Toronto, definitely. I said, I want to talk to you anymore if you don't do Dean's workshop. I said, you can't talk to me. You can tell. You go and do Dean's workshop. So.

Dean: Okay. Perfect. Yeah. I've got one. I'm gonna do a live. Coming up in December. I'm gonna see what the first. Yeah. In Florida at Celebration.

Dan: Okay. Yeah, that'll work. Yep. In touch with this person. I mean, he's a great guy and everything like that, but, you know, and everything like that. He's trying to how his way into the future.

Dean: And I got you. Right.

Dan: Yeah. And I said, look, I just. I said, I can't. Nothing I say is gonna make the least bit of difference until you reframe your whole thinking about where the profit is in your whole process.

Dean: Okay.

Dan: And I said, three days with Dean and you'll have a totally different view and.

Dean: Perfect.

Dan: You know, so, anyway, the other thing I want you to know, just, you know, to make sure that this is not a terrible physical tribulation for you in February. We're planning to have a Live Free Zone summit at the end of February, and it's going to be at the Four Seasons in Palm Beach.

Dean: Oh, my goodness. That's close. I'm very. Yes. I'm very familiar with the Force experience. Yes. This is good. I like.

Dan: You can even hire someone to drive your Tesla there. And you know, whatever.

Dean: Yeah, this is great. I love that now I'm very. That's very exciting. The Four Seasons in Palm beach. So good. I like it. It's a nice.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, I've been there. I mean it's not one of the, the grandeur of their hotels. No, I mean it's very quiet. It's very quiet.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: On the beach. It's nice.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: You know, and everything. So. Yeah, so we, you know, and some places for Phoenix was, you know, you could just forget it for the next year, you know, getting any hotel space or anything. So we did, so we did that. Are you going for Genius Live?

Dean: I'm not. I'm virtual.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, we're going because we're going to Canyon Ranch too. So we're okay. Right. See if we can repeat our normal. This would be.

Dean: Yeah, right.

Dan: Normal thing and. Yeah. So anyway, we're. We'll be there if I, Ben and I are going to do a live. They're going to do a Q A. So Tuesday, Gap and Gain is released by.

Dean: I know, I saw that. Very exciting.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. And our way above last year. So we're off to a better start.

Dean: What's the website where. What's the website that people can go.

Dan: Yeah, book.comgapandgamebook.com.

Dean: perfect. Yeah, I love it. I got mine already. It's great.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dean: What's the next one now? Two.

Dan: Ten times.

Dean: Ten times. Well, that's great. I got it.

Dan: Yeah. I'm gonna continue our first. We started our first work on it on Friday, you know, so. And but the big thing, we got interviewed by Reed Tracy from Hay House and he said the interesting thing about how he said without any marketing for the last seven months, selling at the same rate right now than it was seven months ago. And it was.

Dean: Well, it's going to be a perennial. It's one of those.

Dan: He said it's the dream of every publisher to have a self selling book. And he says you got one here.

Dean: Yeah, that's the best because that's. And I think it's only going to grow as people, you know, and then

Dan: on Amazon when they, you know, with the new book, the Gapping, the gain, they. They just automatically link it backwards so they show the gap in gain and then they immediately take this cover, you know. You know, pair it up with. Yeah, that's so great.

Dean: I can't wait to see this next one. You know, I told you it's my express purpose to be the. The who was the. Who was the filmmaker that would be cameos in his own films. He was in every one of them. Orson Wells. Yeah.

Dan: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Dean: My. I'm going to be the Orson Welles of this 10 book series. With cameo.

Dan: Yeah, you have a whole section. We, you know, we have your entire world story. You know, how you would like your life to be.

Dean: I saw that. Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm being successful with.

Dan: Yeah, you're like the zellig of all my future books. There we go.

Dean: Perfect. Oh, man. All right, Dan. I always enjoy these. Perfect. Okay, thanks, Ted. Bye.