The Crossover Zone

Dean: Welcome to Cloudlandia, Mr. Sullivan.

Dan: I'm Mr. Jackson. Welcome to Cloudlandia.

Dean: Yes indeed.

Dan: Yes, yes. Yeah. We have to develop a etiquette, a conversational etiquette. I was thinking about something. I wonder if the strength of welcome to Cloudlandia is actually that you're mastering the territory between the two worlds.

Dean: I wonder. There's such certainly where the delight lies. I think there's certainly some. There's a delight in that and I think that we're going to turn around to. We're going to end up back with Outlandia actually resulting in that's where we're at. It's like I'm not so much. It's going to end up being a blending but a polarity that there's you know, I think still certain location things are going to be. You're going to end up where there's qualitative differences in things that are non digitized like it was and that you're still going to, you're still going to have those inequities in the mainland and advantages locationally in the mainland that you can smooth out in Cloudlandia. But you know if you still. There's only one Amalfi coast in the mainland. Right. There's only one of that and there's only one you know, Jocks bistro in Yorkville. And it's a really, it's an interesting. That's where I've been thinking a little bit this week but I've got news before we get into that this. We've been, we've been hit with COVID in my own household here. So we're. Yes, we're on extra high alert right now. We've had. Both Philip and Luba have had. Covid and I so far have escaped unscathed but hope to continue with that. Yeah but I'll tell you it's really going rampant here in Florida where Omicron variants which often we were talking about that is probably going to end up being the best vaccine for our. Where everybody's going to end up getting it and have crowd herd immunity or whatever.

Dan: Well the other thing is that I think it's kind of under undermined the notion that experts know something about this.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Because my feeling is that I mean I've been you know watch reading articles on it and all of a sudden now you know the. There's a lot of talk coming from health departments and health ministries. Well we knew this would happen stage of the virus is coming. I said no, they were that even second one Totally surprised them. You know, like, they thought that they were over it, and we were. You know, we were just months away from going back and that. Totally by surprise. And the third one totally caught them by surprise, you know, like. Yeah, I mean. Yeah. I mean, predicting backwards is a lot easier than predicting forwards.

Dean: That's true. It really is. And you know what's funny? Now it's cute to look back at the size of the curve that we were so panickedly trying to flatten in. You know, 22 months ago. 22 months ago, everybody was concerned that there was a thousand cases a day in Florida. Just like, oh, that's quaint. You know? Yeah.

Dan: There's probably a thousand cases within five. Five. That's the truth.

Dean: Right. And so that's. But we're. Hopefully we'll get through. Positive attitude, good practices. Well, lots of sleep.

Dan: This is literally a case of get over it. Yeah, right. Yeah. Get it and get over it. You know, like, it's. It's one of those things. But it's very. Really interesting because I've been reading a new book by Mark Mills, and he is a very thoughtful observer of things, technology, especially as they relate to energy. Alex Epstein has had him on his podcast series, but he's. He's written a new book on Cloudlandia. Okay. And I'm into it, and, you know, I'm making notes. I'm just gonna look it up for you here. Just hold on a second. Yeah. The Cloud Revolution is the name of the book. The Cloud Revolution. Mark P. Mills. And. Yeah. And the. The truth of it is, if you use a cell phone, you're a human being, and you use a cell phone, you're in Cloudlandia.

Dean: Mm. Well, that makes sense. That's absolutely true. That's all. That's your passport to it. That's your entry for sure. Your portal. Yes.

Dan: Yeah. So the whole point is, let's go back to the inequities in the mainland. The inequities are. I mean, the inequities are constant among human beings because it has to do with each individual's ability to see. See or not see an immediate opportunity by learning something new.

Dean: Yep. I mean, that's. When you look at. I'll have to hear more about how that that fits. But you look at things like all these choices that come. You know, we're making mainland choices that seem to have more black and white consequences than Plavlandia choices like Scottlandia, you could basically have it any way you want it. It feels like in the mainland, where you choose to domicile, where you choose to, you know, set up your outpost on the mainland. Even that is a. You know, there's going to be more options and freedom, I think, for people to choose wisely on the mainland. But we've been so. I think there's a lot of, like, gravity and a lot of conditioning. And I don't know what. There's going to be a lot of, you know, normalcy, like, because I'm from this area generationally, or that this is where our home is, that we're not going to end up as if people will be rooted still generationally in a location as opposed to making it as a choice, you know, and it's just the whole. Those are all.

Dan: Well, let's talk about that. You know, let's just talk about three advantages that are mainland advantages for you, and I'll think of three that are mainland. Yeah, we'll each take one and.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Match and raise. You know, I'll put some more chips on the table.

Dean: Okay, perfect. Okay.

Dan: To see. Yeah, I'll go first. And I say that the first is my relationship with Babs as a mainland advantage that I have in the sense that it's lasted a long time and it gets better. And I had the experience of a relationship that I thought was going to be a lifetime relationship that didn't work. And, you know, and went through the. You know, went through the complexity of hinging unhooking myself from that relationship and then establishing a new relationship on actually quite a bit of wisdom I had gained from my first marriage and. And gave me a set of criteria that if I was going to have a lifetime partner, the relationship would have the. These qualities. They would have these criteria to actually do that. And I did that. And then I met Babs, and not like I had a sheet of paper, but I did have check.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Checklist and checklists in my brain. And after I got. After I got to five out of eight, I said, this is good. You know, this is.

Dean: Yeah, right.

Dan: This is good. And the rest of it's been created, you know, it's.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And that was the whole point. The relationship would constantly create its next level of, you know, of value and enjoyment and. Yeah. You know, appreciate appreciation, that you would continually be increasing the appreciation for it. So there's a mainland, and I think that's a mainland advantage.

Dean: I think so, too. Absolutely. I mean, I saw. I look, I was thinking about.

Dan: Over to you, number one. Over to you, number one.

Dean: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I look at my Florida location. As a. I don't know, it's an advantage or a preference, but it's certainly one of the joys I was, I take the. Gary Halbert used to say that, you know, God gave us a sign to. With all the places that were habitable to live in. He planted palm trees. And so if you see palm trees, you know, you're in a place that's suitable for habitation and if not, people move south. Right. And so I enjoy, you know, I'm 22 years into a snow free millennium now and hope that to continue. And that's a choice that I've, you know, for years I would engineer that with split time. Seven months here, five months in Canada and now it's more, you know, Philip here in school. It's more the school year and then traveling, getting out in the summer, but having a home base that I see. And you and I talked about this idea that I'm very happy. Like I moved into this house 20 in 2002 and you know, I was 30 something moving in this neighborhood that I, you know, it was always a joke. 20 years from now I'll be old enough to live in here, you know, because it was mostly older, more established, you know, people and. But now it's like I'm here and here we are 20 years later and it's. I love it as much as I loved it then. Our four seasons Valhalla. So I see that's an advantage, I think in stability in place, that there's equity of being here and certainty going forward. And I think that.

Dan: Yeah, and it has an increasing mainland advantage should you ever decide to sell. It's constantly accruing value. Mainland value.

Dean: Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: Okay. My number two would be the strategic coach program. You know, that was created, you know, from work that was done since 1974 up till the year 2000. It was so 36. 36. 46 years. So 46 years. And part of that is the team, the team of people that was. That has been created in three countries and we have viable parts of the company in three different countries. And, and it's stood the test of the COVID challenges. The challenges that came up that everybody who is crucial to the team in the three countries is, has grown during the, you know, during that period. So I see that as a mainland advantage. And it's got a value, you know, it's got a, it has value to it.

Dean: Yeah, that's. And that's a good. I think that's part of it. You're. I think you can count an operating system or something in that way. Like, I think as you're saying that if I look at my body of work in the 80s profit activators, the breakthrough blueprint model, as you know, those are things that I've started working on prior to the Internet and certainly prior to Cloudlandia, but all have reaching both ways. I realized that the difference between this has been a unique subtlety that I've really capitalized on is, is the difference between scalable and duplicatable. And that as Cloudlandia really lends itself to things that are scalable with zero friction and zero borders and the mainland is more, less about scalable than it is about duplicatable because you have certainly local outposts of the same model. So you look at like Starbucks or Tim Hortons or any sort of thing that's really grown is. Has not done it. You wouldn't be that they've scaled that as much as they've duplicated all over the main world. Right? And. Yeah, all over the world and, and got. The great thing about that is that it's the easiest thing to. It's also easy to cut back on. Like when you look at the duplication of something, it's either performing in that geographic area or it's not. So it's easier to turn that one off sort of thing and shore up only the things. But all the things I've done in real estate, all of the algorithm and even for a lot of the franchises that I work with, the things that I've done are all duplicatable. You know, and now this. So this new, this new model that I see of combining, you know, the, the scalability of Bloodlandia with the, you know, strong like duplicatable model creates a really great opportunity here. It's the hybrid between the two that, that I'm excited about.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: So I again, I see kind of a permanence of value. In other words, that durable two things that I named and the two things that you name. I can't see it any other way going into the future except expanding what you already have or, you know, expanding the value of already had. So my first one was partnership with Babs and Coach Program. And the other thing is that I like our. I like our location in the world in relationship to the rest of the world that I'm interested in. And so we have in our lifestyle, where we live and how we live. And, and you know, I've been talking to a few people who had the chance to read the Quarterly book for this quarter, which is American Happiness. And you know, and lot of them brought up the statement I make the audio. I don't know if I mentioned it in the video, but in the audio, that of my current 77 years on of life, two thirds of them, I have been actually living outside of the. The borders of the United States. I haven't actually been in the United States, but I've been observing the United States from a slightly different perspective than most, most people. So I'm not really caught up in any, you know, the, what I call the conflicts or the tensions. I don't feel myself caught up anything that's going on in the political world in inside the United States, the current situations and. But on the other hand, the tensions that are. Seem to be heightened right now gave me an opportunity to go back in history and see, well, is this really unique or is this a. The latest example of something that recurs. And I think it's the latter by far that there's been five or six tension periods in the history of the US where things tend to polarize. You know, where it would divide a family. In other words, you. A family that generally gets along with like it. We're in a situation right now that differing point of views can cause, you know, real.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Anger can cause, you know, kind of negative feelings, behavior, talking about things and everything like that. And I don't really, you know, I really don't feel any of that. But I am, you know, I'm very curious. I'm very eager to read new accounts of what other people think. But I see it as well, this is kind of like the system you have. And every once in a while you're going to get this, you know, it's polarizing inside your, inside your system. And this is another one. And you know, it's like winter, you know, man.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: You know, it's like stormy weather or whatever else has, you know, it's.

Dean: You really take.

Dan: Go ahead.

Dean: No, I mean, it's really just last night I occasionally on YouTube watch A. There's a gentleman who has a YouTube channel called Bald and Bankrupt. And he's a English guy, you know, late 30s that is, travels around former Soviet Union, all these countries to. And gives these reports like those, and they're like travel logs on Uzbekistan and Kurgyk and all these things and what he finds, all these like, former, you know, you could see like signs of the glory of the, the communist years, right. Of where they would have these beautiful. What do you call those textile, those art Pieces on the sides of buildings. Yeah, murals, but they're done with tile that's broken up.

Dan: That mosaic.

Dean: Mosaic, yeah, all these beautiful communist mosaics that are everywhere. And he goes and shows these buildings of what it would have been like to be, you know, a. One of the special ones, the politburo or whatever in the. In these areas. And you realize just what a life these people live now. Like it's just so a forgotten place. You know, these. All these outposts that people are living their everyday lives,

Dan: whatever halfway to. They're happy ghost towns. In other words, they're heading toward. Yeah, they're heading toward ghost ghost towns. Yeah.

Dean: And you realize how fortunate if you were to, you know, just assign a ranking of the just situational happiness in. Of 1 to 7 billion of all the people on earth that just inherently circumstances. How high up on the list, living in Toronto or Florida or in our situations is on that list. Amazing, right? Yeah. Through. Mostly through nothing that we did special. Because to do that, you know, it's really interesting.

Dan: Yeah, well, you did what you needed to do, given your circle. Yeah. I mean, everybody's presented, you know, with, you know, everybody's presented with a set of options. Yeah. Some of them which require courage, you know, to actually take advantage of them. So, you know, the more I look at each individual, you know, I get to learn people's lives and they tell me stories and everything else. I just realized how this life is not comparable to any other life. The sheer amount of little medium sized and large size decisions this person has made has created a unique lifetime. And there, there isn't any criteria that you can really use to say, well, how does this compare with other lifetimes?

Dean: Right.

Dan: You can't even, you can't even compare it.

Dean: Yeah, yeah, I wonder.

Dan: But the comparing. What I do know is if the comparing on the inside of that life is how they haven't done as well as other people have done with their lifetimes, then they're making themselves unhappy by doing that. I do know that, you know.

Dean: Well, I wonder.

Dan: Happiness is not in the situation or the circumstance. Happiness is your comparison from where you are with other people. That's the. All happiness lies in the comparison that you make between yourself and other people.

Dean: Yeah. Yeah, that's funny. I learned that was something I heard somebody say one time that all unhappiness comes from comparison. And I said that to Homer MacDonald, the gentleman I did the stop your divorce book with. Like, that was some deep truth. And he said, well, that's right. But all happiness comes from comparison too. Because it was trying to say. I think that statement was meant to say, well, don't compare yourself. But he's saying, well, all happiness comes from comparison too. But I was watching this last night. They got invited into somebody's home out in this rural area. This guy was, you know, probably 50 something and born and raised his whole life there was in the US or not the. The Russian military and had never really gotten out of there. You know, never really where. What the opportunity was to even leave there. Very. You know, just struck me what a. What an interesting conundrum that must be. You know, especially if you have.

Dan: Yeah. All depends on how he looks at it though. Yeah. I mean, you know, just to. I'll agree with both you and I'll agree. Agree with Homer. But the happy person is comparing against something totally different than the unhappy person is the unhappy person. The comparison is outside their experience. In other words, they're comparing themselves to another person.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And they have no comprehension what the experience is of that other person. Where the happy comparison is where you're comparing yourself against an earlier stage of your own experience.

Dean: Yeah,

Dan: yeah. I mean when you made the decision I will be happy when.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Okay. Which you did more than 20 years ago, right?

Dean: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dan: And by your criteria that you establish, are you happier?

Dean: Absolutely. Yeah. That's. And I still. I'm still amazed by how, you know, equally how still currently they're relevant, you know, and I look forward to it. That'll be equally relevant 22 more years from now. Yeah.

Dan: Okay. So I did my three. I did my three. So the first it's relationship and teamwork with Babs. Second one was the organizational capability of the strategic coach. And the third one is the lifestyle, you know, sort of the. The lifestyle positioning that we have as a result of that. You gave me two. You gave me two. Yeah. You gave me your situational location in Florida and you gave me the eight profit activators and all.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: The foundation connected that. So what's your number three on.

Dean: I wonder. This is.

Dan: I wonder being like a follow through here. I'm almost.

Dean: Yeah. I mean this is great. People are going to be amazed at what.

Dan: Yeah. They're going to say. Yeah, I did. I did. Actually, I did.

Dean: I think that as you were thinking. I haven't thought about it like this, but I wonder if the physical relationships, the mainland relationships that you. That have developed are an advantage over the purely Cloudlandia relationships. Is there something there about the physical relationships? I don't know. I Think that there's a difference.

Dan: I will. I will tell you this, that I've seen that perception missing from a lot of the. What I would say the people who are the, you know, are pumping the Cloudlandia. You know, they're Cloudlandia, but they don't want to talk about their mainland circumstances at all. Anytime you ask a question about the mainland, they say, well, you know, that all that's going to disappear. You know, more and more my life is going to be in. In Cloudlandia. And I said, I think that it's your relationship between the two worlds and how each is improving the other that's the real advantage.

Dean: Yes. Yeah, I agree with that. So I wonder. That's the. And I think that having this understanding of which things are. Yeah. Which things are required. Like when you really look at what goes into making a robust or a wonderful mainland life.

Dan: Mm.

Dean: And usually you look at all the physical things that certainly go there. What do you. I don't know. How much exploring do you guys do in your local neighborhood? Are you out, you know, walking around every day kind of thing? Where are you? No, you're pretty much in. In the compound, right?

Dan: Yeah, no, actually I live about two minutes from Queen Street.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Which is Main and it's got shops and restaurants and everything else. And I don't know if I've actually walked out of the house up to Queen street in the last three months.

Dean: Wow. Okay.

Dan: Yeah, I mean, the weather's been, you know, the weather cold, you know, and everything like that. Right. And. But I have done very intense, rigorous, you know, physical exercise in my basement gym in the main house and, you know, and I've certainly spent a lot of time connecting with people in Cloudlandia via Zoom, which. Yeah, the Zoom experiences has been terrific for me and you know, so.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And I don't. There. I don't have any mainland ambitions of seeing places other than one than the ones I already like and would enjoy going and revisiting them.

Dean: Yeah, that's exactly how I feel that, you know, I thought at some point of getting another place in Toronto or. But then I thought, you know what? I think I'm really settling into this idea of the next 25 years of being grounded in my main outpost here in the mainland and then just having the Four Seasons as my. Or the Hazleton or whatever, you know, whatever five star hotel environment as my home away from home, wherever I want to go. Such. That's just such an easy. Who not how kind of approach to roaming around with Some variety. Like you've not yet experienced it, Dan, but the Four Seasons at Trinity Square in London, right by London Tower Bridge is. It's one of the nicest four seasons I've ever been to. And I'm really looking forward to going back.

Dan: Well, because we might visit it. We're due for a May trip to London, you know, which is as certain as anything has been certain Right. During this period of time. But we stay at the Firmdale at Piccadilly. Yes, right off Piccadilly. And. And because we know a lot of the staff there. So. Yeah, you know, when they come in, you know, they recognize you right off the bat and. Yeah, so. So. But I would certainly take a trip out there to. I would get into one of those. One of my favorite vehicles on the planet, which is a black cab. And the blacks. The black taxis are an institution, you know, and. Yeah, I would go there, have lunch, have breakfast.

Dean: Yes, that's what you would do. It was. It's. They've got a beautiful lobby lounge. That's fantastic. So, yeah, but I love that, you know, and that. So to me, that. That sort of. Once I made that decision of I don't need to worry about ever getting a second or third home, getting a place or getting anything like that. I can go take advantage of those whenever, whenever I want, and I just can't. We came across that the first year after I sold my house in Halton Hills. That was. You know, we spent six weeks at the Hazleton that next summer, and I couldn't punch any holes in it. It's like such a. How could you go wrong with this? It's great. So that was a fun realization that I never gave it another thought when I wasn't there. And when I was there, I was 100% with what we. What we had, you know. So I think that finding your way, navigating your way around this balance between what you're going to use in the mainland.

Dan: Yeah. Well, here's a thought. I have that. And it'd just be interesting to see, you know, in surveying strategic coach entrepreneurs, when you think of the difference between the mainland and the Cloudlandia, is it a sharp border that the moment that you cross out of the main. Out of the mainland, you're 100% in Cloudlandia? Or is there a middle region that you continually create where a lot of your value for other people is that you understand the. You know, I'll use cash, the acronym cash, Knowledge, Attitude, Skills and habits that you understand that there's A cache in taking advantage of both. But you can only do that if you create a third region. I call it the crossover region between. And my sense is that in the history of the mainland, the wealthiest and most knowledgeable people have always been the in between people there. They bring things from one place that's far away, and they can sell them here. They bring it from there and sell it here. And.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And they can name their price. They can name their price. Same thing going the other same way. Going the other way. And they're the in between people. And. And so my feeling is that when something new like this is created, and I'm kind of convinced that we're talking about something way bigger than the Internet when we talk about Cloudlandia, you know, for sure it's okay. I mean, the Internet was a worldwide system of connecting your computer to other computers. You know, basically, that's what the Internet was. But we're talking about actually creating new worlds inside of, you know, Cloudlandia. There are new worlds to be created, and there's unlimited opportunity. You. Your territory really doesn't impinge the territory that someone else has created, and the territory you create can. Yours can be as big as you want it to be. Theirs can be as big as they want it to be, and you're not impinging on it. So, you know, I think it's driven by human imagination and human wanting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You won't go into Cloudlandia because you need it. You would go into it because you want it.

Dean: Right. I think that there's going to be many gateway who's, you know, I think that's really what the. If I look at it, almost like my vision of it is an aquarium, let's call it a big aquarium. And on the inside is Cloudlandia, and on the outside is the mainland. And in this border between, this waterproof kind of border, the transition into the aquarium, there are a layer of, say, services or gateways that will allow you to seamlessly transact between. So when you look at the mainland, you know that you're. A lot of these things are going to be. People can purchase things or desire things or want things or make decisions in the cloud, in Cloudlandia, but they're going to trigger and require some level of mainland cooperation to deliver that. Right.

Dan: And so you look at the energy is going to be created, the energy that you need to get things done is

Dean: all the people are in the mainland. Yeah, Right. Even if they're working on something that's 100% Cloudlandia developed. All the people are. Yeah, I mean it's really.

Dan: Yeah, I mean it's really interesting. And I just to talk about what we're bringing, you know, when we go into Cloudlandia, which we are right now, but both of our, both of us have our butts firmly secured in the mainland, use our heads in Khadi, India. And this Mark Mills that I mentioned, his book Cloud Revolution, he said, you know, he said that in the world where they're, they, they keep increasing the speed of computing of, you know, of the chips, the microchips that are used and some of them are as big as a pizza. I didn't realize that they were that big, that some chips are like a large pizza. If you got a lot of large pizza.

Dean: I did not know that either. Wow.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. You know, they'd have like, they can do like 12 trillion operations per second, you know. Wow. Yeah. But it takes the power it would take for that one chip to operate. It needs the electrical output of three good sized lived in houses in a daily basis. The energy.

Dean: Wow.

Dan: That you need to, to actually, actually power the chip so that. Power the chip so that it can actually do the work that it does. And he said, you know, and he said the holy grail of all evolution of microchips towards, you know, something bigger and better in the future is in fact the human brain. And what you and I can do, it take either you on your own or me on my own. That what we do in just every day for the type of thinking that we do. And it doesn't have to be as necessarily really creative day, but just thinking from the time you wake up and not even that, but thinking while you're asleep.

Dean: Yeah, yeah.

Dan: Everything that your brain does while you're

Dean: asleep, keeping track of all the automatic systems. Yeah, yeah.

Dan: For that, for a chip to match that, it would need the energy consumption of the island of Manhattan for 24 hours.

Dean: Are you kidding me?

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. That's one human brain, one human. And any one of us, the thinking that we do and you know, the popping around from here to there and thinking about this and thinking about that, that would take the energy consumption of the island of Manhattan 24 hours to match our 24 hours. Yeah. Wow.

Dean: Wow.

Dan: Wow. Yeah.

Dean: Yeah. Fascinating, Dan. It's like that's.

Dan: Well, that's when you know, you, the people do the deep. You know the comparison that in chess, Deep Blue Deep beat Gary Kasparov, but Gary Kasparov was competing with the energy output of 150 watt bulb.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Big Blue was requiring a server farm to, To. To power its work. In other words.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: That ultimately the contest is about. Yeah, you did that. But how much energy did you need to do it? Because. Yeah, and so that's. It's not the speed of the computers that the final say about whether it's good. It's question is, what kind of results do you get from the amount of energy that you use to get that? And right now they, you know, right now there's no comparison. The human brain is just infinitely more effective, efficient. It's just from an energy standpoint, we're just in the other side of the universe from computers right now.

Dean: Yeah, yeah, man.

Dan: And you have to, you have to understand that it's human brains that are. Everything on the computer side is being created by human brains. You know, like it's, you know, and, you know, and so it's a really interesting thing, and I think it's a, you know, it's a topic that is never satisfying because you, you have to remember that all the discussions about this are being done with human brains. It's not computers that are having this discussion as human beings who are having discussions.

Dean: That's exactly right. And that's going to be. That's part of the wonderful thing once you realize how predictable. And I love there, you know, there's a. There was a great book called Predictably Irrational, and I thought that's a. Those are great words. Right. Once you realize how predictably irrational the human brains are, that's really where, you know, you gain real insight into what to do. Yeah, yeah, there.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: I mean, and I mean, if you just transcribe this, you know, this conversation that we've been having, and, you know, you take each section of the conversation and create little boxes we, we might have created and covered about 50, 60 different boxes since we started talking here.

Dean: That's true. You fought my battleship. Yeah.

Dan: And, you know, you know, and you know, I mean, it's just really interesting because we went there, you know, we, we there. There's a part of people who create machines that they want the machines to win, you know, and so then they can get the machines to win, but they have to make the game so uninteresting that humans. The reason why the machine would always win, because the humans would be onto something else.

Dean: Yeah. This is, you know, it's really the shift gears just a little bit. But something fits in what you're saying there that Gary Vaynerchuk, this last couple of weeks launched a, an NFT restaurant, dinner club that is in Manhattan. That is. There's 3,000 tokens. And you, it's like, I guess it's $5,000 or something to join this supper club, Soho House or like those kind of places that they're creating this digital, you know, this NFT token of it which will then now allow for, as he's describing it then pop ups in Miami or at the Masters or at these things where these have actual value. It's just, I think there's something to this whole. All these smart contracts that gonna, you know, come out of.

Dan: Well, yeah, I think, you know, the whole thing about what they'll be worth is, well, it's either being created or it's not being created or, you know, what something's worth worth. Yeah, you know, somebody bought an NFT last, last year and they said, you know, I paid a hundred thousand for this NF right, last year. And I said, well, you know, I mean, whether it has any value or not really depends. Sometime in the future you say, I'm putting this up for sale now.

Dean: Right.

Dan: And it's $100,000. And somebody said, I'll give you 5,000 for it. And that difference between 100,000 last year and 5,000 in the future somewhere kind of tells you what the value of it is. I mean, the value, there is no, there is no inherent value to anything. That's all right. What someone would at any given moment be, would be willing to pay you for it. So, for example, we just launched our lifetime extender program Thursday morning. And by Friday night we had 27, 27 people signed up for it. You know, and, and you know, you know, you could call that program a participatory token. In other words, created an idea.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: You know, around something that everybody has experience with. They have experience with the lifetime extender. And then I said, now we're going to start creating tools to extend your understanding of lifetime extension, age reversal. And you know, we just. And by the time, you know, I talked about it for three months while I was the team and I were creating what it's actually going to look. And I've had one focused team meeting among nine Free Zone entrepreneurs. And, you know, we came to some distinctions. One is we're not going to do anything in this that Peter Diamantis is doing in his trip where he goes out, you'll go out for five or six days and 30 break. Breakthrough innovators in regenerative medicine will come and present you and you can do Q and A. So I Said, well, Peter and probably 50 other people have this kind of coverage that if you want to find out by some, somebody, and you can do it digitally too. I mean, if you had wanted to do Peter's trip, the six days digitally, you could have done it digitally. So I said, we're not going to do that. So it's not going to be about science, it's not going to be about medicine, it's not going to be about technology. It's strictly going to be about that. The science, the medicine and the technology is now becoming more and more available. If you have a reason to find out about it. Okay, so what, so what the workshop is going to be about is what are your reasons, reasons related to, you know, a priority that you have for physical energy, you know, a physical sense of confidence, physical being able to perform at an optimum level in the way that you want to perform. And once we do that, we'll create an expanding network of knowledge outside, you know, outside of the workshop, outside of the program where you can go and actually check it out. You know, we're going to San Diego in the middle of next week and we're going to check out a very specialized. It's not called stem cell, it's called V cells. And Richard Rossi has been using it for, you know, for like a year. And he says it's marvelous. He says it's marvelous how you feel.

Dan: And so, so we'll go and check it out and then we'll come back and we say, you know, this really has something to it. Okay, and, and, and so who's going to do the exploring? Well, all 200 people that, you know, we think we'll sell it out, but all 200 people will do the exploring. And somebody brings up, hey, I've got something I want to find out. And you put it into the mix. And you know, in the chat, somebody says, well, this is. Yeah, I've got something for you. And here's the address, here's the link. Go and look to look at them. And I've got a good connection with them. So tell them that I referred you. So my sense is that this, that what you do with a profit activators can be thought of as a participatory token where you get smarter by participating. What the value of it is that you get smarter by participating in it.

Dean: Yes. Yeah, yeah. And that's, I think the, yeah, just. I think it's just an interesting thing to keep our eye on and the ability to seamlessly do things within there. I really I'm thinking that this is the thoughts that I'm having. What I'm gonna kind of spend some time in my journal today with is comparing are we setting up this opportunity that 1922 to 19 or sorry, 2022 to 2052 is going to mirror and be similar to America 1952 to 1982 in that they're all on the back of, we got all of that innovation, hundreds of years of innovation to get to where television, movies, radio, print were all fully developed in 1952. That was where they kind of reached the, we'll call it the asymptotic curve at the top of it. And I believe that when we look at it right now that the digitization of those things had taken, you know, that whatever, you know, the 50 years, 70 years that it's taken to go from them physically mainland world available, analog world available to now, every piece of content going both ways. The ability to create studio quality work and put it into the cloud, that all of that you can, you know, make it, receive it, consume it, have access to every piece of it that's ever been created. We've really reached that point in 2022. And now I wonder like, what does that mean going forward into 2052? Because there can't be, I can't see it yet. You know, I always say, I was preface when I talk like this, that I don't want to be the guy at the patent office saying everything's been invented, but I don't see where those fundamental things have any more room for improvement experientially. And so does that lead us to a 30 year period of creativity within those platforms in terms of what we're able to produce, but the distribution of it is, the reach of it is really what's going to be the,

Dan: you know, I mean the Mark Mills in his book the Cloud Revolution, he just says that it's always the combination of three capabilities that creates a breakthrough capability. And he goes back and he talks about the telegraph, the telephone, the, you know, all the inventions right up until the presence. And he said, you know, the technology for having your screen on your iPhone, he said that was actually developed about 35 years before it became useful in practical way, you know, and so he, he has a threesome for technological apple. That's right. It's worth it. Yeah, it's called the, you know, the cloud revolution. Mark P. Mills. Yeah, and it's very thought provoking because he said what is now true going forward is that breakthroughs technologically will always have three things that are involved. A revolution in information, a revolution in machines, and a revolution in materials.

Dean: Okay. Yeah. Okay, bye now. Yeah.

Dan: And he says each of these fields is continually developing that exponential, like information is the. Which would you call the information that's available is. Is being exponentially developed. You can access it. The machinery is the chips and, you know, the fiber optic. Fiber optic cables and the machinery, the satellite, you know, the satellite networks and then the. The materials. He said that the iPhone uses 73 different elements out of the periodic table, you know, the periodic table materials. And he said where the original MIC microchips, which were called integrated circuits that made up computers, used about seven. So it's about 10 times more materials we use from the periodic table. And ultimately he said silicon isn't really going to play that much of a part of it. They're going to find combinations of other materials which produce more bang for the buck. Yeah. So it's really interesting because he says this is. It's the mastery of information, materials and machinery. And I said, well, that's. That's a useful model. That's useful model to follow things.

Dean: I love it. We'll put that right in there with the VCR formula. Yeah.

Dan: And all these formulas. Okay.

Dean: I look forward to it. Next week, same time we're on for regular next. Okay.

Dan: Yeah, and I'll.

Dean: Yes, and remind me.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, good. Bye.

Dean: All right, thanks, Dan. Bye.