Life during techno fascism

Dean: Welcome to Cloudlandia, Mr. Sullivan.

Dan: Welcome. So when we start is one of us in Cloudlandia and one of us in the mainland. And I think it's the.

Dean: It's the connection that makes it Cloudlandia. I think one, it's one. When two or more are gathered in the cloud, that becomes Cloudlandia. Otherwise we're just the mainland looking for a connection that's got a.

Dan: That's got a great definitional quality to it. Yeah. And just a little checking here, the seat that you're sitting in, very comfortable for you.

Dean: It's very comfortable. Yes, me too.

Dan: I've got this. I've got this very nice red leather chair. I'm in. I'm in house number one. I have a gas fireplace playing to the left here.

Dean: Okay. All right.

Dan: I don't have the. I don't have the benefit of automatic sunshine, you know, where I live. Yeah. So you make up for it.

Dean: I've had to come inside today because it is chilly today. It's, you know, 50 something degree. I almost had to wear socks today.

Dan: So that's a mainland. That's a man. That's a mainland experience. It really amazing. That's a. Definitely a mainland experience. And, you know, so what's the proper blend of mainland and Cloudlandia? You know, how do you simultaneously. How do you simultaneously reinforce both experiences such that they growth in one leads to a growth in the other?

Dean: That's a great question. That's worth pondering. I mean, the whole. I love. I've been thinking now about all these, you know, all these things that are mainland centered but Cloudlandia enhanced, you know, like being able to have a conversation. Like, I, you know, I really, I miss our table 10 experiences where we would meet quarterly for breakfast. You know, that there's something to that, that this sort of a. It's a similar thing. We get to have the conversation, but it's a different. It adds another dimension to it to be in person. You know, there's something. There's some depth to that, which I enjoy and miss.

Dan: But maybe, maybe we have to jointly invest in two table 10 situations. Like, I would have one in my basement, you would have one on your patio, and we would agree, you know, we would do it directionally. Like, one of them is on the north side and one's on the south side. One of the chairs. And both of us would be in our Table 10 situation when we do our podcast. Emma. I don't know. I don't think it's a replacement. I don't think it's a replacement, but maybe the chairs will. Maybe the chairs will be the best we can do.

Dean: This is where I think Dan, like I've often thought about the. I'm not a big fan of the way that the VR is going where it requires putting the helmet on. You know, that's not. I don't just. I'm very resistant to that. But. What.

Dan: Well, you can't see it as ever being normal. The problem is you can't see it the thing. If something cannot occur. Yeah. If something can't be normalized, then it's not really part of the future.

Dean: Right. What I would much prefer is I could see dan, a table 10 sit up, set up where I've got, you know, half my half of the table. And then there's a screen, a big immersive screen that. Yeah. 4ft by 4ft screen in front in between us, which would be halfway between the table. And then you're sitting on your side and I'm looking at this big monitor that's immersive. That be like a. And I think we could do that with zoom. That's just a bigger monitor and stuff that I think would be. Would be a great thing and I would much rather have that. Like I've said before, I would be a big fan of like a holodeck, you know, if you say like a Star Trek term where a room in our home, like all sides screen that now you're in a, you know, you're in an alternate anywhere that you want to be. To me, I think is great. The studio where I do my podcasts now, my video things, they have a giant AR wall that is like, you know, 12 by 20. That's all, you know, 8K LED. You could literally be anywhere. You know, it's. It's something. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. Well, we're being guided by their, their design knowledge to build our new studio in Toronto. So. Perfect.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. And we're, you know, we have a basement in our Toronto office where which you know, was destroyed by the flood feet of water.

Dean: Yeah, you had a great podcast studio down there already. It was really.

Dan: Yeah, well I did and it was a. It's previous existence was as a post production studio for the movie industry in Toronto. So they had floating floors and you know, the glass booth. But for podcast purposes you don't really need that. I mean it was over qualified. Yeah, it was over overqualified. And technology's taking a jump. That's a 25 year old, you know, build in and technology's Taken a huge jump. And so this is. We're going to have a full video studio, two full audio studios, and then a meeting room lounge, you know, so I always feel you have to have a cafe. If you're being a serious creative human, you have to have to have a cafe. And so we'll have a cafe meeting room with tables and everything like that. I love that. Yeah. So. So anyway, yeah, I'm looking at. I'm. But I was reading a couple articles this week. One was on. Apple is trying to get into the augmented universe and they've got it down to goggles, you know, like ski goggles. They think that, you know, and what they're finding is an absence of check writers who want to purchase the experience. And the same thing, Meta, you know, you know, the, you know, the Android previously known as Facebook is now gone through a name change to become meta and they're just not buying. The biggest problem they're having is they can't get, they can't even get their employees to buy into it because they're supposed to start having their meetings. And I mean, you think if you're going to sell it to your customer base, you'd want your employees, but the employees think it sucks, you know. Right, yeah. And so, you know, we may hit a, an experiential wall here, you know, with technology that we have a sense of what's comfortable experience and when you ask us to give up, I mean, the universe I'm sitting in now is fully sensory. It's fully sensory. You know, I can look around here and you're depriving a person of a lot of senses. Touch is one of them. Smell is another one.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And everything. I can't see how asking people to give up primary senses to experience something new is a move forward.

Dean: Yeah, I can't either. It's real. I was looking, I saw a video on, yes, the Consumer Electronics show that was like highlighting the best of 2023. And they showed the VR, like all the VR things in the area and everybody's got their helmets on and their, you know, the newest thing now, Dan, is these muffler things that you put in your, on your. Over your mouth to muffle your screams and shouting and voice stuff. So you don't know you're not disturbing everybody in the house. It just makes you look so. I mean, just observing people in that world in that full on, you know, you got your things and your haptic suit and your, all the things that try and make VR as close to the real thing as possible make you just so far from reality on observation from the mainland. Looking at people in this is so. It's so ridiculous. You've got to suit up, you know. Yeah.

Dan: Which, which eats into productivity, you know. I mean.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: You know, the one thing you don't want to do is give people the sense of being less productive. And anytime you ask them to go through more motions and put out more effort and take up more time.

Dean: Conscious choice, right, Exactly.

Dan: But doesn't. Doesn't produce any bigger result. You're, you know, you're trying to climb a waterfall, you know, I mean that's. You're trying to swim up a waterfall. And you know, I've been thinking about it a lot because some interesting things been happening over the last two or three months. One is the mass springs of hundreds of thousands of tech workers in the main tech companies. And the other thing is that their valuations have dropped collectively. If you take the big four by Google and Apple and Facebook and you know, Amazon and who else know, you know. Yeah, well, Tesla, I think Tesla would be one of them. Anything and well just drop their prices by 20%. Yeah, well, they've dropped 3 trillion. You know, I mean, you know, they're starting to use trillion as a measurement now. And they've dropped 3 trillion. And there's a general. And then there are finding spooky stuff, you know, Elon Musk's revelations of every couple days showing where some government official or some corporate official was planning and striving to do dodgy things on Twitter. And they're developing that they're starting to take on a creepy quality. Yeah, they're. And I was reading a review of a book that was written in the 1930s by now test an Italian philosopher. Get the hell out of here. Get the hell out of here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean she's a demotivator. I mean she. Right off the bat, she's an artificial demotivator. Okay. And that, that's sort of the type of person you're glad you didn't marry, you know. And anyway. Yeah, yeah, you know. And anyway she, this philosopher, his name is Del Noche. D E L. One word. J, N O C E. Augusto, I guess August Augusto Del Noche. And he's talking about the tendency that everything after a while, if you pursue technology down the line, it affects the kind of government you have to have. It affects the type of corporation you have to have. And they take out similar qualities. The corporations and the government take on similar kind of qualities. And he labels the resulting society that's more or less dominated by technology. Technology, government, corporate kind of integration with each other. He calls it techno fascism. Techno fascism.

Dean: Okay.

Dan: And I was thinking about it because there's been the big news stories of the last week, been finding all sorts of improper, top secret in many case, but certainly classified documents in the various think tank centers and garages and houses of the current President of the United States.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: And. And the media who are on his side because the previous president, his palace and in Palm beach was raided and they were, you know, they were finding doc. Boxes of documents and everything. And. But of course, that was bad. And the current president doing it. That. That was sort of sloppiness on his part. Sort of sloppiness. You know, you know, he's not be all there all the time and, you know, he just, you know, messed up. But it was near his prized Corvette, so.

Dean: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Dan: That would give certain amount of forgiveness to the illegal act.

Dean: And I mean, isn't that amazing how the. When it was Donald Trump was that, you know, they were. They, you know, discovered and raided and seized government document. I mean, all the, you know, language that.

Dan: And he was withholding that. He was withholding. Yeah, he was withholding them. Yeah. Yeah. But the interesting thing is Biden is a really interesting person, and I'm going to relate him to Trudeau, our prime Minister here in Canada, and that Biden, first of all, he represents all his life before he was president or vice president. President, he represents the state of Delaware. And Delaware comes the closest in the United States. Being a state that's actually just a corporation. Not very big. It's not very big. I'm not sure it even has a million people in it. Essentially a suburb of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. But the primary corporation going back to the 1700s was Dupont. You know, and it was like Dupont was a corporation that owned a state. You know, now it's all the credit card companies and all the credit card companies in the United States. Or if you want to do business as a credit card company in Delaware, you go. In the United States, you go to Delaware because Delaware charges no income tax. They just charge a fee for you having your corporate status. My sense is that if you take technology and you think of the hits unifying of corporations and government. Joe Biden may be the most veteran techno fascist leader we've had in the history of the United States. He's a techno fascist. And one of the things that they say about techno fascists is that you're doing everything for the Good of the people. You're doing everything for the good of the people because you kind of want to lull them to, you know, you want to give them a soporific because then you can control all their activities and everything else. So my sense is the temptation is there. I mean, we're moving back and forth between this, you know, the physical world and the cloud, the digital world. And you have to be aware that there's ways of misusing this crossover between Cloudlandia and the physical world. And I think techno fascism is really good. It's got some bite to it, you know, I mean, you talk about Nazis. Hey, don't, don't say Nazis. You know, Nazis, you know, they're dead and gone and everything else. And, you know, you know, you're a communist. Soviet communist. Don't say Soviet Communist.

Dan: But hardly anyone really knows that fascism was really the first, successful, first successful kind of anti, you know, anti democratic, human anti. That really worked. It worked from around, for 25 years, it was actually. And both Stalin and Hitler really studied Mussolini because Mussolini had really created something very successful. But after the war, everybody said, well, Nazism is gone. And then after the Cold War, communism was going. What if there was a creep in the closet called fascism? And that just came out and it infiltrated all the large corporations and the technology companies and, you know, the university system and, you know, the federal bureaucracies and everything else. There's this fascism, creepy fascism, and they use technology and the impact of technology on people to gain control of the people. Dr. Fauci, for example, was a techno fascist. You know, he had, he had the makings.

Dean: So I mean, like what are philosophical, you know, or ideological boundaries kind of thing. They're going to take on, I guess the biases of the creators of these. Yeah. Kind of things. I was thinking about what. Because I've been seeing now everybody, you know, Chat GPT is the new, you know, tulips right now. Everybody is completely crazy about Chat GPT. And that's the big thing. And I was.

Dan: People who are great. The people who are crazy about it are really crazy about it.

Dean: Oh yeah. Like, I mean, this was, this is like, you know, we've seen like couple of years ago, everybody was crazy about Clubhouse. And a couple of years, you know, last year it was NFTs were like crypto. That's all the thing. And now it seems like nobody's really talking about crypto. And except for, you know, what a shady situation a lot of those things got into. But completely like full force chat GPT and the language building up around it, prompting and, you know, prompt craft and all of the stuff that. That's the skill that's gonna make it work. And I was thinking, you know, what's going on? What does this mean actually? Like, if we fast forward, like push the accelerator pedal on this, what's going to be the outcome?

Dan: Yeah, you know. Well, I think it. First of all, I think there's a. First of all, I think that there's a strong trade of utopianism in, you know, in society. And I think that America didn't have fascism. Fascism, you know, it's never been a part of American language or discussion or fascism, but there was a word, progressivism. And if you go back and look where fascism started, progressivism starts at the same time. And for example, the first fascist president that the United States had was Woodrow Wilson. He lived from 1912 to 1920. And he hated the US Constitution, okay? Hated his Constitution. He was a professor. He was a history and philosophy professor. And then he became governor, I think of New Jersey might have been New Jersey. And then he was nominated and was elected. And he said the Constitution was created by a bunch of 18th century people who were dealing with an agricultural economy, okay? And what they wrote and what they stipulated and the structure they put in place, it doesn't work in a mass industrial production system where we have brand new technologies all the time. So he said that we have to take power out of the hands of the elected officials and out of the hands of the voters, and we have to give it to the experts. And these are experts in fields of knowledge that the elected officials can't possibly know and the voters can't possibly know. But this expertise is crucial to the development of the United States as an industrial power in the world. You know, so. And that's a real good description. So what we have to do is we have to get the experts from government to work with the experts of the corporations, and they'll create the road ahead, not only economically, but politically, socially and culturally. For the head, that's fascism. That's fascism, you know, and so there was nothing that happened in the First World War, Second World War, or the Cold War. They got rid of that belief. I think there's a lot of people who believe that, you know, we should have the experts talking to each other. And if a crisis comes up, we have to have experts. We have to give them dictatorial powers. We gave Dr. Fauci dictatorial powers.

Dan: You know, even the President of the United States obeyed him. You know, The United. You know, he says, this is what you have to do now. And. And so Dr. Fauci, I think, is, you know. You know, I mean, he'll be seen in the future as, you know, if things go in a way for the country, he'll be seen as Dr.

Dean: Evil.

Dan: You know, he's sort of Dr. Evil, you know, and. And, yeah, and he's got weird things about him. Somebody interviewed him. In this house, wall to wall, floor to ceiling, is filled with portraits of himself.

Dean: Oh, really?

Dan: Yeah, yeah. Drawings and photos and everything. And these are paintings and drawings and sketches and photographs that people have sent, sometimes just of himself, sometimes with other people. And he said, why have to show them? Because it would be impolite to the person if they ever came and visited. They ever came and visited. And they said, well, where's the picture I sent you? So he's just. But he's just surrounded by pictures of Dr. Fauci looking out at Dr. Fauci. So I don't know. I don't know if that indicates anything off or anything creepy, but it would for me, you know, would for me. I feel a bit creeped out by that.

Dean: Wow. I. It is. Yeah, I get it.

Dan: Yeah. So. So the big. The big thing is that there's actually two things that counteract techno fascism. One is entrepreneurs who create new things and. And people who are workers who do product work in creating the new practical things that are useful and make life more productive. So I think that. Yeah, I think it's actually. I think it's actually creators and productive

Dean: creators and producers wondering, like, what is everybody. What is the ramifications of everybody having access to a, you know, a digital content sweatshop, basically staffed with infinite high school honor students at your beck and call for free? And that's what ChatGPT really falls into, right? It's this digital content creation sweatshop that we could just like, order people to do this. It seems like, what's. I'm watching the horse race of these things. And it all unfold, of course, writing books, there's every, you know, all the way now. It's funny how the evolution of new technology, it starts and then it's how to use it, and then, you know, how to make money with it and how to make money passively. And the, you know, the new thing is writing ebooks and selling them on Amazon, like getting, you know, chatgpt to write your book for you. And it just. I don't know, Dan. There's something about the.

Dan: Well, first of all, first of all, is there, you know, I got a couple things. Do they own the property that they create or is it automatically the ownership of the medium that uses it? They might get a small fee for it, but they're the creator. But does the creator actually own what they create? Okay, so that's number one. Yeah. Number two, does it make anything more productive, you know?

Dean: Well, that's what I wonder. That's my point, is that I think we're reaching a point where now we already talked about how much content is created right now, and I just did some update on the thing. So the latest numbers, and I don't have the exact numbers, Dan, but in the fourth, you know, 4 million something hours, mid 4 million hours a day are posted on YouTube right now. And I did the math, and it would take you 432 years to consume one day's worth of uploads on YouTube. The interesting thing is, collectively, we consume mid 5 million hours content per day. So there's a shortfall still of new. All this content. There's still, you know, we consume at a rate greater than.

Dan: Yeah, somebody's watching something from yesterday.

Dean: Yeah, well, that's true. Right? Yeah, like you wonder that. But I wonder.

Dan: I mean, if it's 4 million new, you have to multiply that by 365 because it tells you what the total new content for the year is. Yeah, yeah. No wonder I'm after the lifetime. No wonder I'm pushing for the lifetime extender.

Dean: Yeah, I think, you know, if you look at it on a curve, it would be that the creation of content is going up, up on a daily basis. Yeah, the daily consumption is going up, you know, slightly, but will reach. There's a limit to it. There's a limit straight to that. But the actual daily consumption collectively compared to the total available content is going to be going lower and lower and lower. Like you're consuming some lowering, infinitely lowering, increasingly lowering percentage of the available content. Because you're right that when you're creating this digital content is adding to the pile. Right. So that's getting 436 new years every day is being added to the pile. And you're right, those 5 million that we're consuming are not all the new stuff. It's not that. It's only the new.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. And what I think I left off the last podcast with my three rules for staying cool and calm, which are everything's made up, nobody's in charge, and life's not fair. And I've been testing this on various People. And they're intrigued by that. I can't say that they're immediately transformed by it, but I've not found anyone who's not intrigued by it. Okay. And. And then each of them generates a discussion. You know, they say, well, when you say everything's made up, what do you mean? Well, everything that is part of the human experience takes place in thoughts and words was made up at some point. So, you know, there was a point when somebody made it made up the word technology. There was word when somebody made up the word fascism. There was word when somebody made up Cloudlandia, you know, And. And. And I said, and I just want you to do. Because sometimes it's forgotten, because there's this feeling that there are things that are just real, you know, And I said, well, we make things real. You know, humans make things real. I'm, you know, and like, I was talking to a fairly radical environmentalist in the sense that they would be incensed about 80 or 90% of what I believe is actually happening with the climate and everything else, that they would be outraged about that. And I says, well, we can't destroy nature because we created nature. And she said, we created nature. I said, yeah, until somebody said the word nature, there was no nature. When you have to name something before there's any reality to it, you know, and then there's nature, and now people can discuss nature and the same. Because before we made up the word nature, it was just a bunch of stuff. Yeah. And she said, well, that's outlandish. That's outlandish. I said, yeah, but you have to realize that your belief about the environment you all made, you made that up. I said, no, nobody else has the explanation for this in their heads that you have in your head. So you made up your explanation. And that goes for me, too. That goes for me, too.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: The only difference is that you think that there's a thing called nature that exists independently of human experience. And I'm saying there isn't. Okay. And she says, well, if you took away all the human beings, it would still be there. And I said, no, it wouldn't be, because there'd no be. There'd be no human beings to experience it.

Dean: If a tree falls in forest. Right?

Dan: Yeah. And then things would be better. I said, well, better, you know, there. There would be nobody to experience better, you know, if you took all the human beings away. We're the only ones who can experience better. We're the only ones who can experience bigger. So anyway. And then nobody's in charge. And I said, well, I said, if you think somebody's in charge, spend some time with them and ask them do they feel like they're in charge? And most of them said, I hope people notice that I'm actually not in charge. You know, it's sort of the only thing that keeps me in charge is the belief that other people see me that way. And, you know, and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with. Everything's made up and there's nothing wrong with. There's nobody in charge and life's not fair. And there's nothing wrong with life's not fair. And they said, well, you know, it just means that there's all this unfairness. And I said, well, yeah, but have you seen any evidence of it being any other way? I haven't seen any evidence of it not being fair. I mean, you can make it fair for yourself and. And you can extend your fairness to

Dean: other people, but that's made also make it unfair for you.

Dan: And you're in charge. And you're in charge. You know, so it's an interesting thing that you can take any belief and you can say, well, you know, somebody made up this belief and there's nobody in charge of keeping the belief going. And probably, if you feel it's fair to you, it probably isn't fair to somebody else. Your belief. Right, yeah.

Dean: That's all everybody's concerned with, is that it's fair. That's not fair to me.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: People are saying. When they're saying it's not fair. Yeah, people are. Fairness. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. But so anyway, it's really. I think the chat g. There's something special about this particular technological breakthrough because it's. It really is tapping into an existing knowledge base manipulated by individual creativity. Yeah.

Dean: I was thinking about what the. I was overlaying, like, if we. Because we're certainly personifying it. So I was starting to think, what would be the Myers Briggs type of chatgpt and as far as, you know, introvert or extrovert sensing or intuitive thinking or feeling judgment or perception. And I think that it would be an ISTJ would be an introverted sensing, meaning guided by all of the reality, the world, what's known kind of thing, thinking, not feeling and judging, having rules and, you know, guided by sort of keeping them. And then I was thinking, what would be the. What would be the Colby of chat GPT? If you think, if we're personifying it, what would be, you know, be a 10 fact finder. You know, be high on follow through. But how, what about the quick start of a. Of chat GPT of AI?

Dan: Well, I think, I think the new applications would be driven by the quick starts.

Dean: But you have to, but you do bring your own.

Dan: I'll give you an idea. I've got a. Babs has a birthday coming up on the 23rd of January. So I, I said to Gord, Vickman is my podcast manager. I said, gord, get our printed biography of Babs the way that we publish it on our website, because she has a bio page on the website. And I said simply, take it and run it through ChatGPT in the style that Donald Trump wrote it. Donald Trump wrote, okay, the GPT. And then. And he did it in like three minutes and came back. It was great. It was really great. It had that considerably altered it from the way it was written, you know, in on the podcast. I mean it had real Trumpish flair

Dean: to it and she's a tremendous influence.

Dan: Yeah, yeah. And it's. The other thing was I said, okay, now I bet there's AI programs out there that can simulate famous people's voices, aren't there? And he says, yeah, I think there are. I says, go find a Trump voice and have Trump read what he wrote. Yeah, okay. And it was really good. It was really good. I mean, I mean it wasn't perfect, but if you played it to somebody, they would immediately got the connection that this is. Yeah, a Trump imitator. If anything, I mean, you would say this is a Trump imitator. And that took about five seconds. Well, it took the time it took him to talk it through, find it and everything. And I was really charmed with it. I was really charged.

Dean: That's something, I mean, you know, the, I'm starting to see that it's not. This is like a Quick Start amplifier. Yeah. You know, it's bringing, it's giving Quick Start an artificial, you know, dialing up the fact finder follow through and implementer of a Quick start. Because it's not, it doesn't have it on its own. The best outcomes are going to come from. You've got to bring the idea to the, to the chat GPT. Everything is possible. I said to Eben, I had a nice chat with Eben Pagan this week and I was saying how it feels like this, you know, chat prompting is going to be very soon the new piano lessons, you know, that I think that kids are going to be taking spending an hour learning, you know, chat AI prompting skills to create things as opposed to learning.

Dan: Yeah, they're going to compose. Yeah, they're going to compose things, you know. Do you think we can take a minute? Because I'm going to run up and get my computer and I'm going to play what we actually came up with. Absolutely.

Dean: Yeah. Yeah, let's do it.

Dan: I'm just going to do it. I'll be up and down in a minute here, but I'm just. Okay, bye. She's the winner along with Dan Sullivan. Okay, you there? Okay, I'm just going to start it here. I have to go back to the start and got the. I'll just play it near the speakers here. Okay.

Dean: Okay,

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Dean: Wow. I mean, there we go.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: This is, you know, you think what you see. I wonder how far we are away from like the perfection of these things like that technology. I mean definitely you can tell that's Donald Trump. Ish. But we're not far off from it being perfect and video representation of Donald. I saw that Bruce Willis had signed a deal to, you know, give his digital. Sold his digital. Right. There's something going on with Bruce Willis that his voice is, you know, going well. He's not going to be able to acting.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: But he's got his, he's been, you know, capturing his digital likeness or whatever.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: So that there'll be movies with Bruce Willis. You know, it's pretty. It's definitely the creators, the people who imagination is going to be something that

Dan: is well and I think that, you know, that he will come into its full bloom here, you know.

Dean: Right, exactly.

Dan: Yeah. Because you have to. Capability, you have to have a sort of productive distractibility. You know, because you're thinking of one thing, then you think of something that logically doesn't follow and you put the two of them together. And, and there's a humor in that. There's, there, there's actually, you know, when two things that don't bond together are suddenly put together, there's a humor there because everybody's brains have to in a second. And I think that's. There's a big dopamine hit when that happened.

Dean: Yeah, yeah.

Dan: But I thought it was pretty good. I mean, very good together. They put that together in about five minutes, you know, start to finish. And, and, but my, here's my sense, and we talked about this last week, that if you're a generally unproductive, frivolous person, engaging with this technology will amplify and multiply your general uselessness.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: And if you're really productive and you're, you know, you're creating new value, I think there will be a multiplier there too.

Dean: Yeah. Yeah. This is, it's so such an endlessly fascinating. Yeah, my, you know, thing to explore. Just, it's great place for your mind to go. Just my thinking about the ramifications of this. Where does this head? Like what if we push the accelerator pedal here and where are we going to land? Like right now, the easy, low hanging fruit is you can see that we're literally going to be coming up on a. We're going to have a surge of, I think in a lot of ways mediocre digital content created, you know, especially

Dan: just based on my wants because I myself do not want to involve myself with this technology.

Dean: Right.

Dan: Like, like I expressed this to Gordon Gord, had it with me in five minutes. Well, that's my general approach to all technology. I take a interested, enthusiastic, skillful human and I put them in between. And I can't see myself budging off my standard approach to any tech. Any technology.

Dean: I get it. Exactly.

Dan: You what? I'm going to spend a whole, I'm going to spend a whole day doing this. I'm not going to. Right, yeah. I'm going to read, I'm going to read British detective stories. That's what I'm going to be doing. Or creating a new, creating a new exercise for the program or. Right, finish creating a new quarterly book so this doesn't alter My behavior in the least. But it, it gives me an idea for encouraging people who are naturally drawn in this direction to get really good at this so that I can give them suggestions on things and they can come back with a finished product in a matter of minutes rather than in the matter of a week or a month.

Dean: Yeah, I like this. Like, that's the way I'm standing is. I'm thinking about this executive producer kind of role. My, my role in this because I just want to come up with the. Once we know what it's capable of, then that's where we can let the creativity come of you having the idea that what if we did Donald Trump reading an intro of Babs? That would be great. But now the thought, the time it took you to think that, you know, that's the imagine if you applied yourself formula.

Dan: That was just a few seconds, you know.

Dean: Yeah, you imagine, you imagine that would be something interesting. Okay, well, if that's true, what needs to. We need to find the thing. And then you applied. Hey, Gordon, do this yourself. Your sphere. Gorge in your sphere. And you just established. You just used your leadership. Yeah, that's. I think that's the way we're heading here. You know, I can't see myself, you know, prompting do. If you hand feeding in prompts to and playing with and editing the stuff you know, you think of. Because you got to understand the limitations too. Like none of your quarterly book could be written by an AI. That's not.

Dan: No.

Dean: Even the thought for what the book is about, you know, that's not. You know, I was reading, thinking about your thinking that there's no guy that could have written that book even with any prompting. But what you've set up in a way is your team. And the way we do the 90 minute books is really the way of, you know, you are the actual intelligence that is being prompted to put out the content orally. You know that digitizing it through speaking it and that becomes the. The thing. It's maximizing your output.

Dan: See what I'm thinking because I've been reading these articles and I started this book by this Italian and there. I think there's a considerable number of people in the world who find other people's unpredictable freedom very threatening to them. And that's what I think techno fascism is. It's to get a hold on the general population in such a way that any new thought that might threaten the status quo of the corporate or the government establishment would be made illegal. Would be made illegal. And it could be technologically prevented. Technologically prevented. You cannot talk that. And so my feeling is that the great fear is that nobody's out of the blue like Mr. Beast. Mr. Beast is a nobody out of the blue, suddenly creates an entirely new entertainment form and then takes that entertainment form knowledge and moves it right into the commercial world with Mr. Beast Burger and everything. And corporate executives dread that type of person coming along that might totally make what they're doing obsolete, you know. Yeah, obsolete. And my feeling is that there's a great fear. And I was thinking, I had a conversation with Peter Diamantes about this with Google and he says, well, they're the ones, he says they've been on top of AI, you know. And I said, you probably, you know, I said to him, you know, they have it mastered probably in terms of what they want to do, but there may be, you know, 18 year olds out there, 19 year olds now who are creating new things that Google will not be because they have 30 or 40 years under their belt, that they're too bureaucratic to be able to respond to some new things that are happening in the marketplace. And I said, you know, before there, before there was Google, before there was Microsoft, before there was apple of the 800 pound gorilla and the electronics world, computer world was IBM. Who even talks about IBM anymore? I mean, who even brings up the topic? Well, IBM was the gargantuan on the planet. It was the King Kong of computerization in the 70s and nobody even talks about it.

Dan: I says, don't you think there'll be some very inventive, enthusiastic young person or groups of young people or networks of young people who are innovators now, who will create an entirely new form out of ChatGPT and the other sort of relevant AI programs that would just make Google something that people don't even talk about, you know. I'm not saying it disappear. Microsoft hasn't disappeared, it's just that IBM hasn't disappeared. They're a big company and you know, they're a prosperous company but nobody ever talks about them as being relevant.

Dean: Well, I think just like the, I think that the chat GPT, the AI, all of that, like the, that kind of interface with AI and apparently the new, you know, GPT4 is 500 times more, you know, access to 500 times more knowledgeable than current one. It's just the ring sent your portion of, of the top 20% kind of thing of the known stuff.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: And I think that just like the iPhone lent itself to the iOS thing, lent itself to a platform that created apps that I think it's going to be all the overlays on top of that AI access. I mentioned that we watched that movie her again with Joaquin Phoenix and how his ear. You have a relationship with his operating system. So 10 years later that movie is like, that's where we are right now. He worked at a company called heartfelt letters.com and it was him, you know, writing. They would write letters to, you know, on your behalf. And that's, I think what there's an opportunity for me to overlay that on chat GPT to say, write a heartfelt letter for my grandmother or, and tell it about this and this, or write a love letter, you know, that. Those kind of niche, you know, siphoning off doorways into the back end of the AI. It's almost like the way scientists have mapped the brain now to say this is the portion for sound and this is the portion for that does sight, all that. It's almost like being able to tap into AI for a specific purpose, you know.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, it was really interesting. Hamish McDonald, my cartoonist, just sent me a little AI program. It was called you dot com. I know, very rudimentary, not on the level of chatgpt, because I, I was talking thinking about Gutenberg and we talked about Gutenberg last on the last podcast. And so I just said, show me all the articles. And you know, this is at the same level of Google. I said, show me all the articles that are on the topic of Gutenberg's social impact, you know, and. And all of a sudden there are about 20 different articles. Okay, wow. And then I said, Write me a 500 word essay. The five most important impacts of Gutenberg on modern life. And you know, it was about 20 seconds came back, well written down, perfectly spelled, good sentence structure. And it was really useful. It was really useful. It got my thinking with a Sherpa.

Dean: Were you doing this yourself or with.

Dan: No, here. I mean, this wasn't any more difficult. This wasn't any more difficult than interacting with Google.

Dean: Yeah, so, I mean. So you were doing the driving.

Dan: Yeah, I was doing the driving and you know, I was doing the design of the search and you know, design of the project and. But I do that already with humans with impact filters and fast filters and everything like that. But I think that knowing what you want is a big important skill here. Being able to communicate crystal clear when you're talking to someone who's. Who's a who that you can give them crystal clear exactly what you want. And I haven't Seen any technology that improves that skill.

Dean: Right. I think you can have. I think in a lot of ways that's what you're trying to do or enabling people. That's what thinking. That's what the tools are, the thinking.

Dan: Thinking about your thinking.

Dean: Yeah, Thinking about your thinking is. That's really what it comes down to.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: It's prompts that create the prompts. You know, that's really.

Dan: I was. Yeah, I was on a podcast on Friday. I don't know if you've ever come across a coach client by the name of Tony d'. Angelo.

Dean: The name sounds familiar.

Dan: Yeah. And he's got a company that's with universities and colleges, and I'm not entirely sure of the, you know, the. The exact service or product that's being created, but he's, you know, he's been in coach about 10 years, and he's got a new podcast called Intellectual Capitalist. Okay. And this is the launch. And I was the launch. I was the launch guest for the first one.

Dean: Intellectual Capitalist. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. And. And he's. No, I'm sorry, I'm mistaking. Because I had something in the morning and it was with Shannon Wallers. So we were doing our podcast series, which is called Inside Strategic Coach. And she. We usually do three. And she had a question. She says, dan, you put an enormous emphasis on entrepreneurs getting in touch with their past and actually keep extracting value from their past so they can create value in their future. And she said, so why do you think the past is so important? And I said, why do I think my past is so important? And she says, yeah, you can start off there. And I said, because it's my property. Nobody else has the foggiest idea what it is. Right. It's you. It's complete uniqueness. It's just unlimited uniqueness back there. Because nobody else has any of my experiences. Nobody has any of my thinking about my experiences, you know, and thinking about your thinking book is a good example of that because. Yeah, I started off was something really important that happened to me when I was six years old, you know, which framed my life, you know, and, you know, I wasn't just a little, you know, a little object getting pushed around by adults.

Dean: Right. Your mom giving you instruction. You do what you. Yeah, reading.

Dan: Yeah. Reading important than going to school points

Dean: you in the right direction. That's right.

Dan: Ice cream. Eating ice cream was more important than going to school.

Dean: Can you imagine, though, Dan, Just think about the vector. You know, that at 6 years old, she nudged you that 3 degrees towards reading as the most important thing. And you play that out over the next 72 years and here's where we are. I mean, that's completely different place.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. And it seems like a consistent life for me. You know, I mean, it's kind of like it's been like a one project life, you know. Yeah. And anyway, but it's really interesting because talking about this, you know, you know, I have my five panelists who are going to be there. I have. Mike Koenigs is going to be one of the panelists and Liora Weinstein met. Many are. Have you met. I have probably. And then it'll be Lee Richter and Evan Ryan, who is new to Free Zone and he's the youngest. And so he's noteworthy for me because I'm 50 years older than he is. That's my first entrepreneur that, that I've got 50 years on. But he's actually been in practice of working with AI for clients for about four years. So he's got a lot of practical experience. And then. And then Stephen Palter, who's using a lot of chat. GPT fact finding in that for his medical practice. Yeah. So. And I just said, just tell everybody how you're putting it to practical use in your business and how you see this is changing your game and how you see that you can get bigger and better results by using this and where it fits into your general game plan of what you're trying to achieve and how it introduces greater productivity. You know, just to tell everybody what it is.

Dean: That's great.

Dan: Yeah. And then we'll have everybody brainstorm. And then we'll do the triple play. We'll do the triple. Everybody will do the triple play. You know, these are three things. And then connect. Why is this important? Why is this important? And then we'll have a general, you know, Q and a general discussion with it. So I think it'll be. But you got to talk your way into. You got to talk and think your way into something like this. You know, it's. Yeah, there's always going to be people who will do the technology for you.

Dean: Yeah, anything. Well, that's, you know, that was the big distinction of challenges and technical challenges. That, that whole thing. Once some, once somebody figured out how to do something, it's immediately become a technical challenge, which is, you know, who eligible. There's like, who knows how already. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: So much excitement. Dan, what's coming in.

Dan: But it's, it's. I mean, it's neat witnessing it.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. It's you know, one of the things. When I was growing up, I would ask people what was seeing an airplane, like, and I was talking to people that around the turn of the. You know, right around 1900. And, you know, they. In the first 10 years, they were children, and that's when there were cases where somebody flying in an airplane could be seen. And they said it was. It transformed you when you could. When you saw it, you know, and. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, it was illegal. It was illegal. What Orville and Wilbur Wright did. You know it's illegal. Did you.

Dean: Oh, my. Illegal.

Dan: They didn't have pilot's licenses.

Dean: That's right. They were flying without a license, you know.

Dan: Well, not only that, but they did.

Dean: You're allowed to do that at the beach.

Dan: They didn't even. They had no flight time, you know.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: Everything's made up.

Dean: Yeah, exactly.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Oh, this is so great then. Well, these conversations, I just find them. So I stimulate my thinking.

Dan: Well, you know, we created the dinner table with welcome to Cloudlandia. And then we got a big whopping. Whopping piece of new fresh meat on the. Absolutely.

Dean: We do.

Dan: On the table.

Dean: Finally everybody caught up with.

Dan: Yeah. Anyway, I'll be on next week if you're. Okay. We're for sure. And then we're going to New Orleans for where. Our first meeting with Richard Rossi's Da Vinci 50 group, so.

Dean: Oh, nice. Okay, great.

Dan: And then we'll be in Palm Beach. We'll be in Palm beach the first week of. And we're going to spend some days free in Palm beach instead of spending them free in Arizona this year, we're going to spend them.

Dean: Okay, good. When do you. Well, we'll connect up.

Dan: I'll give you the schedule. I'll give you the schedule and. And then I'll send you. I'll send you a fast filter for your presentation. And I think Mr. Beast would be a wonderful topic. Even today. People don't know who he is, you know, in code.

Dean: No, exactly. I think that there's. Yeah. And there's a couple of others that are.

Dan: And you can put together some videos and. Yeah, everything. And then some news like he was offered a billion dollars.

Dean: Yeah.

Dan: To take him out of the game. Actually, that's what it was. Billion dollars to take him out of the game. Yes.

Dean: I love it.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: Okay. That's great. Have a great week, Dan.

Dan: Okay, thanks. Bye.